The Pope John Paul II - Page 20

Jenson71 · 01:12 AM

Today I listened to a talk about the Catholic religion and part of it dealed with the Pope - John Paul II. Isn't he amazing? The Pope is one of my heroes. He's so unbelievably good. This thread is a tribute thread to the living saint.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

It IS the body and blood of Christ. Christ is PRESENT in the Eucharist. There is substantial biblical teachings to back this up.

This all requires faith as well, so I guess it doesn't really matter what others may think of it. But a Catholic should believe this (Trans substatiation) or they need to re-examine their faith.

Post #268 has substantial biblical teachings that bring this into question.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Herzig

Without googling it...being a science teacher myself....I can tell you that Carbon Dating involves a process where a Carbon-14 isotope is compared to the decay rate of the item in question....or something like that..

I only teach six grade science and I barely touch on the subject of isotopes.

Carbon dating acuracy is also is limited to a few thousand years.
As far as the 7 creation days.
While the fossil record proves creation, it disproves creation in the "literal" 6 creation days.

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Carbon dating acuracy is also is limited to a few thousand years.

Wrong. Items dating back millions of years are routinely dated. There is a reasonable margin of error, of course, but it is clear that the Earth is several billion years old, at least.

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

While the fossil record proves creation, it disproves creation in the "literal" 6 creation days.

The fossil record proves creation AND disproves creation in 6 days?

I don't even know where to begin.

Another mind deluded by religion.

InChiefsHeaven · 01-27-2005, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

Wrong. Items dating back millions of years are routinely dated. There is a reasonable margin of error, of course, but it is clear that the Earth is several billion years old, at least.

The fossil record proves creation AND disproves creation in 6 days?

I don't even know where to begin.

Another mind deluded by religion.

Clint is such a nice guy...

Calcountry · 01-27-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

It is hard for the Pope to walk. He is actually wheeled out on his chair to give mass. I saw it on the Travel Channel.

Then it must be true.

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Clint is such a nice guy...

I never claimed to be nice.

Just correct.

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Then it must be true.

The Travel Channel, or a 2,000 year old book written by men.

I don't see why one is clearly a more reliable source of information than the other.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

The Travel Channel, or a 2,000 year old book written by men.

I don't see why one is clearly a more reliable source of information than the other.

Intersting that not until this century that certain names and places that were only noted in this old book and have been refuted as fiction, that thru recently found artifacts were actually found to be true.

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Intersting that not until this century that certain names and places that were only noted in this old book and have been refuted as fiction, that thru recently found artifacts were actually found to be true.

The fact that the Bible names proper names of people and places means nothing.

Stephen King and Tom Clancy (for example) do the same thing.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

The fact that the Bible names proper names of people and places means nothing.

Stephen King and Tom Clancy (for example) do the same thing.

No you didnt understand what I said. Certain names and places had only been historically recorded in the bible. For example, the name Pontius Pilate had only been found in the bible, there were no secular written historical documents or artifacts proving him existing as a political ruler or even a person......until recently.

C-Mac · 01-27-2005, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

Wrong. Items dating back millions of years are routinely dated. There is a reasonable margin of error, of course, but it is clear that the Earth is several billion years old, at least.

The fossil record proves creation AND disproves creation in 6 days?

I don't even know where to begin.

Another mind deluded by religion.

-I was speaking of its acuracy.
-There is no doubt that the earth is millions of years old.
-I dont know, the layers of sediment show no signs of life then all of a sudden... wala there's whole life forms. I suppose the fossil record can be altered by athiests.

InChiefsHeaven · 01-27-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

The fact that the Bible names proper names of people and places means nothing.

Stephen King and Tom Clancy (for example) do the same thing.

Honest questions:

Who do you believe wrote the Bible?

How old do you believe the Bible is?

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

-I was speaking of its acuracy.
-There is no doubt that the earth is millions of years old.
-I dont know, the layers of sediment show no signs of life then all of a sudden... wala there's whole life forms. I suppose the fossil record can be altered by athiests.

1. Carbon dating isn't perfectly accurate with any items, but it is accurate enough when you're talking about millions of years.

2. Whole life forms? As opposed to what? Obviously we haven't found every type of fossil yet. Even if life did "suddenly" spring up, it's not evidence of creation by a supreme being...let alone the same being featured in the Bible.

I'll let the scientists decipher the fossil record & leave the twisted interpretations to the religious.

Clint in Wichita · 01-27-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by InChiefsHell

Honest questions:

Who do you believe wrote the Bible?

How old do you believe the Bible is?

1. Politicians/Leaders of some sort, who sought power/control over the then ignorant masses.

2. It's been pieced together, added to, and abridged over many centuries, but I think the oldest parts probably have their roots in text originally written about 2,000 years ago.

Brock · 01-27-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Clint in Wichita

I'll let the scientists decipher the fossil record & leave the twisted interpretations to the religious.

thus making you as much a sheep as those you deride.

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