Changed my tune - forget Trotter, go for Hartwell - Page 2

**The Bad Guy** · 03-03-2005, 09:01 AM

The more I read about Ed Hartwell, the more I'm convinced he's the better fit.

He's younger than Trotter, he doesn't have the injury history, and he learned from one of the best LBs in football.

I know that playing along with Ray Lewis may make him a question mark, but when Lewis went down he was dominant.

The guy wants to be a Chief. He came here first after 16 teams contacted him and that's the kind of player I want on this defense.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be upset over signing Trotter, but I've changed my tune. Go get Hartwell and Rolle.

**morphius** · 03-03-2005, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Seriously, before Gibbs got there name one FA that panned out for the Skins? They were like free agent purgatory.

I don't worry about his DC days. He's been humbled and he actually didn't play that bad for DC - the scheme is what killed him.

It sticks out more to me because he is not the only Phily player to go elsewhere to be little to no use.

I will not be upset if we sign either one, its just a worry.

keg in kc · 03-03-2005, 09:15 AM

I'm a big fan of signing Hartwell, the question is whether we can afford two hugenormous contracts, because I think we're going to get Rolle or Surtain. I think Hartwell's going to demand the most $$ at linebacker, and with the questions about Trotter's knee, I could see his guaranteed money being significantly more. But I also see him as someone who could be a stud for the next 6 or 7 years, one of the leaders we've so desperately needed.

Of course, if our line play isn't any better, particularly at tackle, it won't matter who we have at MLB, because he won't be free to make plays while he's engulfed in bigbody blocks. I say the same thing I said last year: Ryan Sims is still the key to everything. He has to come through this year for us to really improve as much as we want, regardless of who we sign.

So much relies on him. Even with Hartwell or Trotter and Rolle or Surtain or Smoot or Law or whomever.

Warrior5 · 03-03-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

I also prefer Hartwell, but would not be upset if we signed Trotter (#2 on my list - AHEAD of injury-plagued Bell)

Ditto; Hartwell is my choice, but won't be upset if Trotter is inked. I'm no more sold on Bell than I am Law.

Speculation here on the Planet is running rampant (as expected), but can you imagine the euphoria (and sudden accolades for CP) on this board if Rolle and Trotter were both signed?

Gaz · 03-03-2005, 09:18 AM

Sims, Siavii & Dalton. I think that can be an effective rotation. Were it not for the fact that Hicks is carved in stone at DE, I would be satisfied with our DLine.

xoxo~
Gaz
Content, if not thrilled.

HC_Chief · 03-03-2005, 09:18 AM

Last night one of the guys on 610 was talking about Kevin Carter possibly coming to KC. I guess he is close w/ Gunther - they were neighbors in TN. I wouldn't be opposed to that... we could use a vet at DT.

Sure-Oz · 03-03-2005, 09:20 AM

I wouldnt mind hartwell or trotter, ill be happy with either.

**the Talking Can** · 03-03-2005, 09:24 AM

I want Hartwell because he is young and "seemingly" entering his prime...but I'll dance the happy dance for Trotter as well, knees be damned...

**the Talking Can** · 03-03-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I say the same thing I said last year: Ryan Sims is still the key to everything.
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in that case, our season IS already over....better spend all your mojo on Siavii

siberian khatru · 03-03-2005, 09:27 AM

If Trotter's knees can hold up for 1-2 years, I'll be satisfied. He'll come cheaper than Hartwell, who's got 16 teams pining for him. (But I've got nothing against Hartwell, who I like as well.)

Gaz · 03-03-2005, 09:27 AM

If megabucks are going to be spent [and after last season, they certainly should be spent] then they are better spent on LB Hartwell than CB Rolle, Surtain or Smoot [crippled old Law does not even count].

xoxo~
Gaz
Wants some game day impact from the money [which excludes CB].

keg in kc · 03-03-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

in that case, our season IS already over....better spend all your mojo on Siavii

I'm not...hopeful about him, either.

And Gaz, while I don't disagree with your thoughts on MLB or the import of the front 7, I think CB is a priority right now simply for the fact that we only have one. And with several high level candidates on the market, I think we'd be foolish not to sign one.

I also think we can afford to sign more than one big-ticket guy.

HC_Chief · 03-03-2005, 09:30 AM

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Wants some game day impact from the money [which excludes CB].

Couldn't be more wrong there. CB is key to Gunther's scheme - he loves to blitz and leave receivers in single coverage. If our corners are incapable to playing a receiver one-on-one, the scheme fails (and we end up with the worst D in the league... sound familiar?)

Rukdafaidas · 03-03-2005, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Last night one of the guys on 610 was talking about Kevin Carter possibly coming to KC. I guess he is close w/ Gunther - they were neighbors in TN. I wouldn't be opposed to that... we could use a vet at DT.

That's interesting. Wasn't it Gunther who said that if he were the Rams coach, he would cut Kevin Carter for being so lazy? After the Chiefs blasted the Rams when Gunther was the Chiefs coach.

HC_Chief · 03-03-2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas

That's interesting. Wasn't it Gunther who said that if he were the Rams coach, he would cut Kevin Carter for being so lazy? After the Chiefs blasted the Rams when Gunther was the Chiefs coach.

Guess he changed his tune once Carter came to TN. Gun was blasting Carter for being lazy in StLoser. Once they ran him, he refocused. He played pretty well for TN.

Fat Elvis · 03-03-2005, 09:34 AM

Hartwell is used to playing behind a piss poor D-line....

03-03-2005, 09:01 AM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	Changed my tune - forget Trotter, go for Hartwell The more I read about Ed Hartwell, the more I'm convinced he's the better fit. He's younger than Trotter, he doesn't have the injury history, and he learned from one of the best LBs in football. I know that playing along with Ray Lewis may make him a question mark, but when Lewis went down he was dominant. The guy wants to be a Chief. He came here first after 16 teams contacted him and that's the kind of player I want on this defense. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be upset over signing Trotter, but I've changed my tune. Go get Hartwell and Rolle.
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03-03-2005, 09:15 AM	#17
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I'm a big fan of signing Hartwell, the question is whether we can afford two hugenormous contracts, because I think we're going to get Rolle or Surtain. I think Hartwell's going to demand the most $$ at linebacker, and with the questions about Trotter's knee, I could see his guaranteed money being significantly more. But I also see him as someone who could be a stud for the next 6 or 7 years, one of the leaders we've so desperately needed. Of course, if our line play isn't any better, particularly at tackle, it won't matter who we have at MLB, because he won't be free to make plays while he's engulfed in bigbody blocks. I say the same thing I said last year: Ryan Sims is still the key to everything. He has to come through this year for us to really improve as much as we want, regardless of who we sign. So much relies on him. Even with Hartwell or Trotter and Rolle or Surtain or Smoot or Law or whomever.
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03-03-2005, 09:18 AM	#19
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	I won't say I'm not worried, but I am less concerned that I am about LB... Sims, Siavii & Dalton. I think that can be an effective rotation. Were it not for the fact that Hicks is carved in stone at DE, I would be satisfied with our DLine. xoxo~ Gaz Content, if not thrilled.
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03-03-2005, 09:18 AM	#20
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	Last night one of the guys on 610 was talking about Kevin Carter possibly coming to KC. I guess he is close w/ Gunther - they were neighbors in TN. I wouldn't be opposed to that... we could use a vet at DT. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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03-03-2005, 09:24 AM	#22
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9202208	I want Hartwell because he is young and "seemingly" entering his prime...but I'll dance the happy dance for Trotter as well, knees be damned... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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03-03-2005, 09:27 AM	#24
siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $-1325050	If Trotter's knees can hold up for 1-2 years, I'll be satisfied. He'll come cheaper than Hartwell, who's got 16 teams pining for him. (But I've got nothing against Hartwell, who I like as well.)
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03-03-2005, 09:27 AM	#25
Gaz Defense Homer Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Rancho Gaz Casino cash: $10010793	Hartwell and a couple of second-tier CBs would be just about right... If megabucks are going to be spent [and after last season, they certainly should be spent] then they are better spent on LB Hartwell than CB Rolle, Surtain or Smoot [crippled old Law does not even count]. xoxo~ Gaz Wants some game day impact from the money [which excludes CB].
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03-03-2005, 09:34 AM	#30
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $-2028075	Hartwell is used to playing behind a piss poor D-line....
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