So many people want to trade the 2nd round pick....

[tiptap]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

A couple things...First off the Fins don't have a 2nd round pick because of their brilliant AJ Feeley trade, they also don't have a 3rd round pick because of the Lamar Gordon trade with the Rams.

As for the guaranteed contracts comment I believe you are thinking of the NBA where 1st rounders get a guaranteed 3 year deal and 2nd rounders don't...NFL isn't like that...Only thing guaranteed is the signing bonus that is put in their hand. Granted because the signing bonuses are getting so big that it is becoming more popular for part of the bonus to be deferred but other than the guaranteed bonuses in the contracts virtually nothing else is.
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Within the regular NFL salary cap is a second, or sub-cap, for signing rookies (including draft picks), which takes into account the number and placement in the draft order of each team's picks. Each team gets a certain share of a predetermined total amount of money (the "rookie pool") to spend on rookies. Since this money is counted against the overall cap, it's actually a cap within the cap.

For 2004 the Raiders will be allowed to spend up to $5,170,440 in cap money to sign their rookies (both drafted and undrafted).

In 2002 the NFL allocated an average of about $3.8 million per team, but the allocated amount varied from team to team depending on the number of draft picks they had. The Raiders' 2002 allocation for signing rookies was $4,254,000.

http://www.vertgame.com/rookie_pool.html

While it is true the contracts aren't fixed the numbers are pretty well set by this Rookie Cap within the Cap situation. So Miami might get allotted more money with 2 first round drafts but would be pushed over the top in the overall cap. This is what I was referring to.

But if Miami doesn't have a 2nd pick then this is a dead idea.

[philfree]

Here is a bio on your 1st rounder. Sounds a lot like what we already have...

From nflcountdown...

Carlos Rogers

Official Bio College: Auburn Height: 6-03/8
Position: Cornerback Weight: 196
Class: Senior 40-Yard: 4.35
SCOUTING REPORT
Strengths: Excellent size and speed for the position...Tough player who will fight through injuries...Great athleticism...Good ball skills and has become a a playmaker as a senior...Has a lot of experience and made an impact early on as a freshman.

Who in the Chiefs secondary fits that description? Good Ball Skills and a Playmaker? Bartee has no ball skills what so ever. Neither does Battle.


PhilFree

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by philfree

Who in the Chiefs secondary fits that description? Good Ball Skills and a Playmaker? Bartee has no ball skills what so ever. Neither does Battle.


PhilFree

And who in the Chiefs secondary doesn't fit this description?

Weaknesses: Doesn't always play up to his physical tools...Isn't a great tackler...Not very stout against the run...Has a lot of work to do in terms of his technique...Needs to master the nuances of the position rather than relying on his physical gifts so much.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by philfree

Who in the Chiefs secondary fits that description? Good Ball Skills and a Playmaker? Bartee has no ball skills what so ever. Neither does Battle.


PhilFree

I really think the problem lies in the fact that Carl, somehow has mistaken "athletic" for "versatile".

I'm not sure about Battle, but Bartee is considered athletic, so Carl (and Gun, for that matter) felt that he had the potential to convert to corner, without giving actual thought to the fact that corner technique requires both good instints, and years of practice for most.

Dale Carter was a rare exception.

They seem to have forgotten about the pevious failed effort of converting Woods to corner.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by SideWinder

I really think the problem lies in the fact that Carl, somehow has mistaken "athletic" for "versatile".

I'm not sure about Battle, but Bartee is considered athletic, so Carl (and Gun, for that matter) felt that he had the potential to convert to corner, without giving actual thought to the fact that corner technique requires both good instints, and years of practice for most.

Dale Carter was a rare exception.

They seem to have forgotten about the pevious failed effort of converting Woods to corner.

IIRC, Battle was supposed to be just as athletic if not more so than Carter.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Coogs

IIRC, Battle was supposed to be just as athletic if not more so than Carter.

I think we've proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that more than just athleticism is required for the CB position.