Keitzman is hammering CP on 810 - Page 5

**The Bad Guy** · 04-20-2005, 04:25 PM

This is great radio.

He just stated a fact. Carl has drafted 3 pro bowl players on defense since he took over.

Jerome Woods, Derrick Thomas and Dale Carter are the only 3 players he has drafted on defense.

That is unbelievable. Woods got it on a sympathy vote too.

If you have time, tune in. He makes a lot of great points whether you hate him or not.

He just played clips that Carl stated he never received one ounce of negative criticism from fans. He also said that the 72,000 season ticket holders are the "real" fans.

The more I hear CP talk, the more I wish he would just vanish off the face of the earth.

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Uh the point I was responding to, was that he said prior to free agency it was critical that your first round draft choice start right away. Neither of those players started for the Chiefs either right away or for that matter pretty much ever.

Then why did you say "and in fact almost none of them went on to become starters" when 4 of the 6 players you listed DID?

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yeah, the facts on their own are enough to make that point abundantly clear.

Exactly.

Could have added Victory Riley, or Sylvester Morris, or Ryan Sims to that list...

Good God his drafts have been horrible.

Logical · 04-20-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

Then why did you say "and in fact almost none of them went on to become starters" when 4 of the 6 players you listed DID?

Clearly I should have said for the Chiefs, my error.

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

So why is it acceptable to bash on the KC media, but not Rufus Dawes? Seems like you are being inconsistent. Not that your point is not correct.

Where did I EVER say it's not acceptable to bash on Dawes?

I merely pointed out the irony (and HYPOCRISY) of posting Dawes' articles here for "entertainment" purposes.

TRR · 04-20-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Uh the point I was responding to, was that he said prior to free agency it was critical that your first round draft choice start right away. Neither of those players started for the Chiefs either right away or for that matter pretty much ever.

I never said prior to FA. Re-read the post(s).

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Clearly I should have said for the Chiefs, my error.

No problemo.

In that case, add Victor Riley and possibly even John Tait.

And then there's Joe Horn and Greg Favors.

Goddammit Jim!

Logical · 04-20-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I never said prior to FA. Re-read the post(s).

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You can't possibly say that the draft has the same impact now as it did when Peterson first got to Kansas City. Year after year, teams can stock up in FA, and draft players strictly for depth purposes. When Peterson first arrived in KC, your 1st round pick had to be a player that could come in and start right away. Not so with the way the salary cap can be jostled around now days.

While I agree you did not say it dirctly you certainly seemed to imply it with the year after year teams can stock up in FA statement. If I read something into it you did not intend, my error, and my apologies.

TRR · 04-20-2005, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

While I agree you did not say it dirctly you certainly seemed to imply it with the year after year teams can stock up in FA statement. If I read something into it you did not intend, my error, and my apologies.

I didn't mean to imply. No big thing Vlad.

htismaqe · 04-20-2005, 07:23 PM

My point is this:

Carl Peterson is a joke. Rufus Dawes is quite possibly the lowest-class Bush League insult to fans in all of professional sports, let alone the NFL.

But everytime a guy like KK or Whitlock levels a VALID criticism against him, all he has to do is say "Yeah, look who that came from. Mr. Pants around his ankles, or Mr. Walked out of his radio show while on the air."

Logical · 04-20-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

My point is this:

Carl Peterson is a joke. Rufus Dawes is quite possibly the lowest-class Bush League insult to fans in all of professional sports, let alone the NFL.

But everytime a guy like KK or Whitlock levels a VALID criticism against him, all he has to do is say "Yeah, look who that came from. Mr. Pants around his ankles, or Mr. Walked out of his radio show while on the air."

Now, now, Rufus will have a hard time beating out Al D_avis

NJ Chief Fan · 04-20-2005, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Yep, I think there is a sequel to the "White men can't jump", in there somewhere.

"Carl can't draft" the movie.

Would you watch it?

ive been watchin it for to long dont think so

KChiefs1 · 04-20-2005, 08:12 PM

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I think your core players have to come through FA. NFL vets are proven, and can get the job done. The draft is too much of a crap shoot to expect draftees to become your core players.

I think you'll find "most" great teams were built through the draft(Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys) but in today's era you need to have a good combination of great drafts & making correct decision in the FA market. Obviously if Carl had drafted the correct players over the last few years to go along with the Priest Holmes & Willie Roaf's the Chiefs would be up in the Patriots echelon. You have to have a few years of great drafts to go along with the correct signings of FA's.

DAMMIT CARL!!!!!!!!

KevB · 04-20-2005, 08:25 PM

The reason you build through the draft is that it's cheaper. You get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round pick signed to a three or four year deal at a reasonable price. If you go sign a vet, they get paid more...plain and simple. The Eagles have guys like Sheppard, Brown, M. Lewis, etc. who aren't getting paid as much as guys like Woods, Wesley and Warfield despite the painful disparity in level of play. Why? The Chiefs have years in the league which means money.

I really can't believe anyone believes that FA/trade is even remotely as important as building through the draft. Hell, not many teams have done better through FA/trade than the Chiefs, and look at our lack of success on the field. We're the perfect counterpoint.

Simplex3 · 04-20-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Cardinals have drafted Simeon Rice, Aeneas Williams, Jamir Miller, Eric Swann are just ones I can think of off the top of my head on defense.

Pat Tillman (7th rnd), Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Leonard Davis, David Boston, LJ Shelton, Cory Chavous, Michael Pittman, Frank Sanders, Garrison Hearst, Jeff Christy, Ricky Proehl, Larry Centers, Tom Tupa...

Oh, and Jake Plummer.

**wazu** · 04-20-2005, 09:35 PM

Kietzman was on fire today! I usually can't stand the guy, but apparently bashing Carl is his strong suit.

Unbelievably good radio!

04-20-2005, 04:25 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9273645	Keitzman is hammering CP on 810 This is great radio. He just stated a fact. Carl has drafted 3 pro bowl players on defense since he took over. Jerome Woods, Derrick Thomas and Dale Carter are the only 3 players he has drafted on defense. That is unbelievable. Woods got it on a sympathy vote too. If you have time, tune in. He makes a lot of great points whether you hate him or not. He just played clips that Carl stated he never received one ounce of negative criticism from fans. He also said that the 72,000 season ticket holders are the "real" fans. The more I hear CP talk, the more I wish he would just vanish off the face of the earth.
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04-20-2005, 07:23 PM	#69
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8049900	My point is this: Carl Peterson is a joke. Rufus Dawes is quite possibly the lowest-class Bush League insult to fans in all of professional sports, let alone the NFL. But everytime a guy like KK or Whitlock levels a VALID criticism against him, all he has to do is say "Yeah, look who that came from. Mr. Pants around his ankles, or Mr. Walked out of his radio show while on the air."
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04-20-2005, 08:25 PM	#73
KevB Agree to Disagree Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The State of Euphoria Casino cash: $10026612	The reason you build through the draft is that it's cheaper. You get a 2nd, 3rd, 4th round pick signed to a three or four year deal at a reasonable price. If you go sign a vet, they get paid more...plain and simple. The Eagles have guys like Sheppard, Brown, M. Lewis, etc. who aren't getting paid as much as guys like Woods, Wesley and Warfield despite the painful disparity in level of play. Why? The Chiefs have years in the league which means money. I really can't believe anyone believes that FA/trade is even remotely as important as building through the draft. Hell, not many teams have done better through FA/trade than the Chiefs, and look at our lack of success on the field. We're the perfect counterpoint.
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04-20-2005, 09:35 PM	#75
wazu ... Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $-1807705 VARSITY	Kietzman was on fire today! I usually can't stand the guy, but apparently bashing Carl is his strong suit. Unbelievably good radio!
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