NFT: Royals Sweeney trade value?

eazyb81 · 05-13-2005, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

There should be no gripping from the fans if this happens. IMO, a trade makes all the sense in the world, given the direction of this team. If Sweeney wants out of KC (and deep down, I think he really does), he might be willing to restructure his contract in order to make a more pallatable deal from the other team. Highly unlikely, but who knows. I actually think a more likely suitor for Sweeney is NYY. Giambi's a mess, and Tino Martinez is a dinosaur. I'd take a look at Mike Vento, Kevin Reese and Mitch Jones in their AAA organization. They are all about 27 yrs old. In their AA org, I'd take Kevin Thompson - a 25 yr old OF with great speed and good power..Matter a fact, I'd want Thompson in any deal we'd do with the Yanks.

Bottom line, and I agree, we have to get OF prospects in any deal for Sweeney. Pitching is always nice, but we need OF's in the worst way. I also agree that they need to be major league ready. I want guys cutting their MLB teeth right now, and be ready to contribute in 2006.

I'm pretty sure the player's union doesn't allow contract restructuring. I know they didn't allow ARod to do it when he was trying to get traded.

I would rather not trade Sweeney to the Yanks, I would hate to see him play for Steinbrenner. I would much rather keep him give him to NY.

Eleazar · 05-13-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I would rather not trade Sweeney to the Yanks, I would hate to see him play for Steinbrenner. I would much rather keep him give him to NY.

I don't think that makes any sense at all. You trade him to whoever you can get the best value from. Who cares if he's playing part time for the Yankees for a couple years?

eazyb81 · 05-13-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I don't think that makes any sense at all. You trade him to whoever you can get the best value from. Who cares if he's playing part time for the Yankees for a couple years?

I hate the Yankees and their farm system sucks.

Again, why do we have to trade him? You would rather see Harvey out there every day?

SCTrojan · 05-13-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I hate the Yankees and their farm system sucks.

Again, why do we have to trade him? You would rather see Harvey out there every day?

I don't think we have to trade him right now. But I think he is signed through just next season or the following. It is a similar situation to Beltran. Sweeney will more than likely go at the end of his contract. If you can get some quality young players when he leaves, then it makes sense to do it. We should at least consider it.

eazyb81 · 05-13-2005, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan

I don't think we have to trade him right now. But I think he is signed through just next season or the following. It is a similar situation to Beltran. Sweeney will more than likely go at the end of his contract. If you can get some quality young players when he leaves, then it makes sense to do it. We should at least consider it.

Of course we should consider it, we should consider any trade scenario. However, people on here are acting like we HAVE to trade Sweeney, when there isn't much of a need to right now. He has played great this year and he could form a great combo at 1B/DH with Huber. Trading him away for a minor leaguer right now would be a dumb move, unless we received a few top prospects.

SCTrojan · 05-13-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Of course we should consider it, we should consider any trade scenario. However, people on here are acting like we HAVE to trade Sweeney, when there isn't much of a need to right now. He has played great this year and he could form a great combo at 1B/DH with Huber. Trading him away for a minor leaguer right now would be a dumb move, unless we received a few top prospects.

I'm a big Sweeney fan, so I'm not advocating an immediate trade. He's killing the ball right now.

But taking into consideration the long-term good of the club, there's a point at which he is no longer a valuable trade commodity. If we are willing to forego that because he will be here long-term, then so be it. But if it looks like he will not be here past his current contract, then he falls in with every other star we've traded away. Get something of worth before he leaves and we get nothing.

eazyb81 · 05-13-2005, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan

I'm a big Sweeney fan, so I'm not advocating an immediate trade. He's killing the ball right now.

But taking into consideration the long-term good of the club, there's a point at which he is no longer a valuable trade commodity. If we are willing to forego that because he will be here long-term, then so be it. But if it looks like he will not be here past his current contract, then he falls in with every other star we've traded away. Get something of worth before he leaves and we get nothing.

Every single player leaves at some point, does that mean you trade every player away? I don't really get that philosophy, I think Sweeney would be useful over the next few years in shaping our young guys into players while also being one of the best hitters in the game.

Eleazar · 05-13-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I hate the Yankees and their farm system sucks.

Again, why do we have to trade him? You would rather see Harvey out there every day?

People just named a number of good prospects in their farm system. I don't give a damn who we trade with. If the Cardinals have good prospects then take them. If the Yankees have good prospects then take them too. It's madness not to take the best value offered.

It's only silly to trade him if you believe that he will still be helping us in ~4 years, when he's 35 or 36, with the back trouble that has been plaguing him lately, and if he decides to give us the home team discount again like he did last time and signs another deal.

**ChiTown** · 05-13-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I'm pretty sure the player's union doesn't allow contract restructuring. I know they didn't allow ARod to do it when he was trying to get traded.

I would rather not trade Sweeney to the Yanks, I would hate to see him play for Steinbrenner. I would much rather keep him give him to NY.

Yeah, you are correct on the contract restructure. I forgot that about MLB......

I'd have no problems trading Sweeney straight up to the Yanks for Kevin Thompson. The kids a player. A look at your 2006 Royals OF

Thompson in LF (plus, he is a legit leadoff hitter) 25 yrs old
David DeJesus in CF (Now, he can bat 2nd) 25 yrs old
Cory Aldrige (Can bat 3-5, but has to get the K's down) 25 yrs old

eazyb81 · 05-13-2005, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

Yeah, you are correct on the contract restructure. I forgot that about MLB......

I'd have no problems trading Sweeney straight up to the Yanks for Kevin Thompson. The kids a player. A look at your 2006 Royals OF

Thompson in LF (plus, he is a legit leadoff hitter) 25 yrs old
David DeJesus in CF (Now, he can bat 2nd) 25 yrs old
Cory Aldrige (Can bat 3-5, but has to get the K's down) 25 yrs old

I guess I value Sweeney a lot more then some of you do. Sure, it sucks that he had a couple injuries, but when healthy he is one of the best hitters in the game. Trading him straight up for a minor leaguer in his mid 20's doesn't seem like a very good deal to me, I would at least want another quality pitching prospect. Even then, the thought of Harvey playing everyday at 1st or DH (when Huber comes up) is enough to make me sick. Let's keep Sweeney and pair him with Huber, that could be a great combination.

**ChiTown** · 05-13-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I guess I value Sweeney a lot more then some of you do. Sure, it sucks that he had a couple injuries, but when healthy he is one of the best hitters in the game. Trading him straight up for a minor leaguer in his mid 20's doesn't seem like a very good deal to me, I would at least want another quality pitching prospect. Even then, the thought of Harvey playing everyday at 1st or DH (when Huber comes up) is enough to make me sick. Let's keep Sweeney and pair him with Huber, that could be a great combination.

I just gotta ask, but why do you want to keep Sweeney around, when this team won't be ready to make a charge until 2007?

At that point, he'll have 1 yr left on the contract, and absolutley NO trade value for the most part. Mike, with his health issues, has about 2 more really productive seasons in his tank. He's not part of the future, and the only stick in our MLB club that has trade value. Not to mention, we've got a great deal of talent in the minors at 1b (Huber and Pressley in AA, and Kaaihue in A ball is just ripping it up).

Watching Harvey play every day at 1b, while Huber and Pressley get ready, doesn't bother me at all. I mean, really, what are playing for this year anyway?

eazyb81 · 05-13-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

I just gotta ask, but why do you want to keep Sweeney around, when this team won't be ready to make a charge until 2007?

At that point, he'll have 1 yr left on the contract, and absolutley NO trade value for the most part. Mike, with his health issues, has about 2 more really productive seasons in his tank. He's not part of the future, and the only stick in our MLB club that has trade value. Not to mention, we've got a great deal of talent in the minors at 1b (Huber and Pressley in AA, and Kaaihue in A ball is just ripping it up).

Watching Harvey play every day at 1b, while Huber and Pressley get ready, doesn't bother me at all. I mean, really, what are playing for this year anyway?

In defense, I have to ask you how do you know that we have no shot at making a charge until 2007? I know it sounds far-fetched, but this team really isn't that far off. We have the young pitchers, now we just need some offense, which is much easier to find. We have a young nucleus of positional players (Dejesus, Teahen, Gotay, Buck, Huber and Butler on the way), why trade our best player and leader now? I think we could finish this season strong and make a charge next year, it's not like we are getting blown out every game.

I would much rather trade Berroa right now, I think he is worthless and he might get as much in return as Sweeney.

SCTrojan · 05-13-2005, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I would much rather trade Berroa right now, I think he is worthless and he might get as much in return as Sweeney.

I'm with you there. Do the Angels need a shortstop?

nomad · 05-13-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCTrojan

I'm with you there. Do the Angels need a shortstop?

Can't help you there.. the Angels signed Orlando Cabrera to a 4 year deal this past winter. Way too much money, for too long when we had eckstein and a TON of talent at 2nd/ss in the minors.

You and Berroa kinda sound like me and Darren Erstad.

Love to trade him, even though he is considered a clubhouse leader and true gamer. I'd like to have a power guy at 1B or at least at DH (Sweeney).

What exactly are Sweeneys contract numbers??

Big I know, but for how long??

**ChiTown** · 05-13-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

In defense, I have to ask you how do you know that we have no shot at making a charge until 2007? I know it sounds far-fetched, but this team really isn't that far off. We have the young pitchers, now we just need some offense, which is much easier to find. We have a young nucleus of positional players (Dejesus, Teahen, Gotay, Buck, Huber and Butler on the way), why trade our best player and leader now? I think we could finish this season strong and make a charge next year, it's not like we are getting blown out every game.

I would much rather trade Berroa right now, I think he is worthless and he might get as much in return as Sweeney.

That's a fair question, and the reply is I don't know. I just know that Mike has a limited shelf life of what he will contribute over the next couple of years. I also know that it takes young players a couple of years to gell together. More than likely, we will have several new pieces to add to our puzzle in 2006 (Huber, maybe Pressley, Aldridge, spossibly Maeir or even Butler).

I think we could be a decent team in 2006, but I think we could be a very good team in 2007. Teahan, DeJesus and Buck will all be in their 3rd full season, our young pitchers should have worked out many of the kinks they are encountering now. The new acquistions in 2006 will have had a year to adjust. Most importantly, the new manager will have had some time to get used to the team and the young talent. Just a hunch, but I really think our year to make a charge is a couple years a way (2007) with all these young players.