Internet Gates BBQ sauce recipe - authentic? - Page 2

**cdcox** · 10-16-2004, 10:06 AM

I don't live in the KC area or I'd just go out and buy some. And yes, I know you can order it through the mail. But I found this recipe for "Gates BBQ sauce" on the internet in several places. Has anyone tried it and found it to be somewhat similar to the original?

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
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1 cup sugar
1/4 cup salt
2 tablespoons celery seed
2 tablespoons cumin powder
2 tablespoons Cayenne pepper
2 tablespoons garlic powder
1 tablespoon chili powder
2 quarts Ketchup
2 cups cider vinegar
1 1/2 teaspoons liquid smoke
1 teaspoon lemon juice

Mix together all the spices. Set aside.

Combine the remaining ingredients and then add the spice mixture.
Mix well.

Serve warm or cold. Freezes well.

**cdcox** · 05-17-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How did it go?

Mmmmmmmmm. I ended up cutting back on the salt and simmering it on the stove for an hour. After tasting it, I added more vinegar and spices. It's been too many years since I had Gates to compare. Overall, I'd say it is a good tomato-sweet base to modify to taste.

BIG_DADDY · 05-17-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm

Keep us posted as to the results OH. If all goes well I may try this out also.

Exactly, I'm interested as well.

Hammock Parties · 05-17-2005, 03:17 PM

Hmm. So BBQ sauce is just ketchup with a bunch of spices and crap? I had no idea all this time...

DanT · 05-17-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boozer

I would be surprised if the real Gates sauce had ketchup in it. By the same token, I bet that recipe makes something that tastes like Gates sauce, at least "close enough for government work."

I'd be surprised if it didn't. jettio, my older brother and I grew up a coupla' blocks from his Swope Parkway location, which is where they used to make the stuff. When my older brother was about 8 or so, Mr. Gates gave him a job doing odd jobs around the plant. (Mr. Gates was well-known in the neighborhood for being kind to kids.) Anyway, my older brother said that ketchup was a main ingredient in the sauce. I don't think it was considered a secret or anything.

Jenson71 · 05-17-2005, 03:39 PM

DanT · 05-17-2005, 03:42 PM

Here's a really good New Yorker article on ketchup. Not all ketchup is the same. Apparently, Heinz kicks ass.

http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_09_06_a_ketchup.html

DanT · 05-17-2005, 03:44 PM

Here's a Martha Stewart page featuring her and Ollie Gates and the ketchup-based barbecue sauce.

http://www.marthastewart.com/page.jh...ent&id=tvs2979

DanT · 05-17-2005, 03:46 PM

Man, that's making me hungry. The baked beans at Gates are awesome.

**Donger** · 05-17-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jenson71

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Hammock Parties · 05-17-2005, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanT

Here's a really good New Yorker article on ketchup. Not all ketchup is the same. Apparently, Heinz kicks ass.

http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_09_06_a_ketchup.html

Fascinating. I'm going to create an "upscale mayonnaise" alternative to Hellman's.

KC Kings · 05-17-2005, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

L.C.'s Barbeque 5800 Blue Parkway
Kansas city, MO 64129
816-923-4484

Go there and have the brisket and beans...amazingly good BBQ!

This is the worst post I have ever read. How can a person can mention LC's and not talk about their fries?

Prince22 · 05-17-2005, 04:06 PM

Has anyone ever had Jimmy's Batch 81 BBQ. It's a spicy 3 pepper sauce. Excellent. I've only seen it at Quiznos, so I bought a bottle from there.

**gblowfish** · 05-17-2005, 04:08 PM

I don't think that recipe is authentic because of the liquid smoke. Gates was started in the early 1940's before liquid smoke existed. And I've never detected it in Gates sauce, where it's easily detected in other BBQ sauces like Oklahoma Joe's. It wouldn't surprise me if ketchup was one of the starting ingredients. It's probably Hunt's, as Lamar and the Chiefs have been tight with Gates BBQ for a long time

shaneo69 · 05-17-2005, 04:17 PM

I happen to have a bottle of Gates' Original right here....

Ingredients: Tomatoes, Vinegar, Salt, Sugar, Celery, Garlic, Spices, and Pepper. 1/10 of 1% Potassium Sorbate preservative added.

**Baby Lee** · 05-17-2005, 04:24 PM

I've been chowing on Gates' hot and spicy for so long, I'd forgotten it wasn't original. Can't be a recipe for hot and spicy without a buttload of cracked black pepper.

Good stuff.

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cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-648231	Internet Gates BBQ sauce recipe - authentic? I don't live in the KC area or I'd just go out and buy some. And yes, I know you can order it through the mail. But I found this recipe for "Gates BBQ sauce" on the internet in several places. Has anyone tried it and found it to be somewhat similar to the original? Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 1 cup sugar 1/4 cup salt 2 tablespoons celery seed 2 tablespoons cumin powder 2 tablespoons Cayenne pepper 2 tablespoons garlic powder 1 tablespoon chili powder 2 quarts Ketchup 2 cups cider vinegar 1 1/2 teaspoons liquid smoke 1 teaspoon lemon juice Mix together all the spices. Set aside. Combine the remaining ingredients and then add the spice mixture. Mix well. Serve warm or cold. Freezes well.
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DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1561711	Here's a really good New Yorker article on ketchup. Not all ketchup is the same. Apparently, Heinz kicks ass. http://www.gladwell.com/2004/2004_09_06_a_ketchup.html
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05-17-2005, 03:44 PM	#22
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1561711	Here's a Martha Stewart page featuring her and Ollie Gates and the ketchup-based barbecue sauce. http://www.marthastewart.com/page.jh...ent&id=tvs2979
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05-17-2005, 03:46 PM	#23
DanT Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Davis, CA Casino cash: $1561711	Man, that's making me hungry. The baked beans at Gates are awesome.
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16856178 VARSITY	I don't think that recipe is authentic because of the liquid smoke. Gates was started in the early 1940's before liquid smoke existed. And I've never detected it in Gates sauce, where it's easily detected in other BBQ sauces like Oklahoma Joe's. It wouldn't surprise me if ketchup was one of the starting ingredients. It's probably Hunt's, as Lamar and the Chiefs have been tight with Gates BBQ for a long time
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05-17-2005, 04:17 PM	#29
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	I happen to have a bottle of Gates' Original right here.... Ingredients: Tomatoes, Vinegar, Salt, Sugar, Celery, Garlic, Spices, and Pepper. 1/10 of 1% Potassium Sorbate preservative added. __________________ "I like Chiefs president Carl Peterson. I respect his business savvy. I envy his management skills and his penchant never to be driven by the whims of popularity. I admire his willingness to take responsibility for decisions that don’t work out the way he would have wanted." - Rufus, from KCChiefs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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05-17-2005, 04:24 PM	#30
Baby Lee Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $8028275	I've been chowing on Gates' hot and spicy for so long, I'd forgotten it wasn't original. Can't be a recipe for hot and spicy without a buttload of cracked black pepper. Good stuff. __________________ We need the kind of courage that can withstand the subtle corruption of the cynics - E.W.
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