Mitch Holthus on Des Moines radio daily during camp...updates here - Page 11

htismaqe · 07:28 AM

8/18 Update posted by htismaqe
Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in.

Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell.

On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been.

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8/16 Update posted by jspchief
Talked about Gunther on the rampage.

Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up.

Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan.

Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team.

Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick.

Some scrub from ISU quit the team.

Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting.

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8/15 Update posted by htismaqe
The news is not good boys.

The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting.

Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks.

He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday.

Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing.
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8/12 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out.

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8/11 Update posted by htismaqe
Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news.

Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55).

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8/10 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's.

He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ.

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8/9 Update posted by htismaqe
Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams.

Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play.

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8/8 Update posted by htismaqe
Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too.

Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said.

Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion.

Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team.

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8/5 Update posted by htismaqe
Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except...

When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far.

Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field.

Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's.

That's about all I can remember.

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8/4 Update posted by jspchief
Talking LBs mostly.

Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position.

That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America.

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8/3 Update posted by htismaqe
Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews:

1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right.

2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too.

The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn.

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8/2 Update posted by htismaqe
Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later).

Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

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8/1 Update posted by htismaqe
I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there:

Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp

Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets.

That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken".

TEX · 08-02-2005, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

For every one of your Bill Belichik's I can name 3 Chan Gailey's.

Sure. But the success of 1 Billichik, or the chance of it, rules out anything else. Besides, Saunders is no Gailey - not now - not ever.

TEX · 08-02-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I agree. We are actually in pretty good shape...much to my own surprise.

In the next 3 years we'll need a LT, a #1WR to replace Kennison, a young CB to replace Warfield, a DE to replace Hicks...and maybe, unfortunetly, a DT.

We also, of course, need a QBOTF or we'll have to roll the dice on another "Vet" like Green. Over 3 years that is all doable with smart drafts.

Bell and Surtain have 3+ years. DJ/Fujita/Fox have 3+ years. Wesley has 3+ years. LJ. Holcombe. Parker. Dante. Crap-ho. Wilson. Allen. Siavvi(??). Welbourne to replace Shields.

I realize CP doesn't like AS, but I hope AS gets the job. He isn't Vermeil. He is brilliant at using spare parts and scraps to whip the best defenses in the league. I'd like to keep that mind on our sideline. Gun can stay at DC and purge his shitty defensive coaches.

Exactly what needs to happen IMO.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Sure. But the success of 1 Billichik, or the chance of it, rules out anything else. Besides, Saunders is no Gailey - not now - not ever.

How do you know? If Saunders gives us the chance at "one Belichek" Ferentz or Stoops gives us the CHANCE at "one Jimmy Johnson".

In the end, that's all it is -- a chance.

And for me, I prefer to take that chance with a fresh start.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-02-2005, 01:58 PM

Htismaqe,

You're missing the point. The reason I listed the other coaches (Fassel, Billick, etc) was to prove YOUR point that other coaches have gone onto become head coaches after leading the league in offensive or defensive categories, yet ARE successful. In addition, the Dallas Cowboys under Landry, Pittburgh under Cowher and Noll, SF under Walsh, Siefert & Mariucci were continously successful because they NEVER changed systems! It was just a matter of plugging in the right player, not rebuilding every few years. The same could be said for Parcell's system & coaches and ESPECIALLY Belichick's system in NE. Great scheme, never changes, plug in players. That's what the Chiefs need to do to continue their offensive success.

In addition, comparing Al Saunder's head coaching past to Gunther's is WEAK. Saunders took over in mid-season, a team that was flailing in the wind and didn't have ANY success for another 6 years after he left. Also, to compare intellectually, Saunders to Gunther is stupid as well. Saunders graduated from Stanford and has a Master's degree in Psychology. I'd be surprised if Gunther even graduated from high school (though he's probably got a GED). Anyway, there's no way in the world that you can compare a coaching job from almost 20 years ago to the coaching job he would do today. I'm sure that like all of us, he's learned quite bit in the past 20 years.

Dane

TRR · 08-02-2005, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Just because you can't understand it, doesn't mean I don't have a point. Trying to suggest I haven't done my "research" says exactly where you stand.

Yea good one. It's real hard to understand, "Saunders will be a head coach in this league...Just not here." And "he's a Vermeil clone, therefore he would be no different than when Gun took over for Shottenheimer."

Get real.

Raiderhater · 08-02-2005, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Sure. But the success of 1 Billichik, or the chance of it, rules out anything else. Besides, Saunders is no Gailey - not now - not ever.

Nope, he's a Martz.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Htismaqe,

You're missing the point. The reason I listed the other coaches (Fassel, Billick, etc) was to prove YOUR point that other coaches have gone onto become head coaches after leading the league in offensive or defensive categories, yet ARE successful. In addition, the Dallas Cowboys under Landry, Pittburgh under Cowher and Noll, SF under Walsh, Siefert & Mariucci were continously successful because they NEVER changed systems! It was just a matter of plugging in the right player, not rebuilding every few years. The same could be said for Parcell's system & coaches and ESPECIALLY Belichick's system in NE. Great scheme, never changes, plug in players. That's what the Chiefs need to do to continue their offensive success.

In addition, comparing Al Saunder's head coaching past to Gunther's is WEAK. Saunders took over in mid-season, a team that was flailing in the wind and didn't have ANY success for another 6 years after he left. Also, to compare intellectually, Saunders to Gunther is stupid as well. Saunders graduated from Stanford and has a Master's degree in Psychology. I'd be surprised if Gunther even graduated from high school (though he's probably got a GED). Anyway, there's no way in the world that you can compare a coaching job from almost 20 years ago to the coaching job he would do today. I'm sure that like all of us, he's learned quite bit in the past 20 years.

Dane

I'm not missing the point. We obviously have different definitions of the word "success". Anything less than the Super Bowl is not success. Sorry.

You're manufacturing continuity when there was none in both Pittsburgh and Dallas. From Landry to Johnson they turned over the entire staff. From Noll to Cowher, they turned over the entire staff. Cowher was a Marty assistant in both Cleveland and KC and never worked with Noll. Johnson came to Dallas from the University of Miami.

In San Francisco, they had continuity from Walsh to Siefert 1) because Walsh stayed on with the team as a consultant and 2) because they had great players that happened to be there during the transition. I don't consider Steve Mariucci "successful" in any definition of the word.

I could care less about IQ, degrees, or any of the rest. Gunther is regarded as one of the best defensive minds in the game. Saunders is regarded as one of the best offensive minds in the game. In general, those types of people make better coordinators than head coaches.

**Rausch** · 08-02-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by raiderhader

Nope, he's a Martz.

Doubtful.

The only person who might have bungled away more talent was Switzer, and even he was able to win a ring with JJ's roster.

Marts is the most knowledgable HC to ever be that terrible...

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

Yea good one. It's real hard to understand, "Saunders will be a head coach in this league...Just not here." And "he's a Vermeil clone, therefore he would be no different than when Gun took over for Shottenheimer."

Get real.

That would be a great point, IF I had said that.

Of course, I didn't.

**the Talking Can** · 08-02-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Which basically means the Chiefs are screwed. Unless Carl Peterson gets hit by a bus.

Bell may or may not be constantly injured. Holcombe is 30. Welbourn's knee injury has turned out to hobble him quite a bit worse than they thought.

And then you have Fox, Parker, Craphonso, Wilson, and Siavii, all of which are AT BEST unproven and at worst busts.

Yes he is. So was Mike Martz. Or Brian Billick. Or Norv Turner. I realize it's not a popular position, but I've seen plenty from Saunders that suggest (to me) that he's SO GOOD at offense, that he wouldn't be able to see the forest through the trees as a head coach.

Uh...of course they're unproven, that goes without saying- no team in the league has a suite of starters sitting in the bench..and yes, injuries may happen, again, that's a given...the point is: it is not a given that we have to "start over" or "blow the team up"...I've seen nothing from AS that would suggest he's myopic like Martz...other than people like you comparing him to Martz for no reason I can figure out...would AS leave in his QB after suffering a concussion?...Martz is just an idiot

p.s.

you're the one who pimps Fox anyways...lol

KCTitus · 08-02-2005, 02:12 PM

Wow...fretting over 2006 already? No thanks, I'll enjoy this season first.

I think this one may be a record, Parker.

htismaqe · 08-02-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Uh...of course they're unproven, that goes without saying- no team in the league has a suite of starters sitting in the bench..and yes, injuries may happen, again, that's a given...the point is: it is not a given that we have to "start over" or "blow the team up"...I've seen nothing from AS that would suggest he's myopic like Martz...other than people like you comparing him to Martz for no reason I can figure out...would AS leave in his QB after suffering a concussion?...Martz is just an idiot

p.s.

you're the one who pimps Fox anyways...lol

I didn't compare Saunders to Martz in any way other than to suggest both were very good coordinators, considered by most to be the best.

I've never suggested Saunders is anything like Martz. However, that doesn't mean I think he can be successful.

It's not a given that we have to "blow up the team", you're right. However, it's a statistical probability in today's NFL. Look at the examples where continuity has been SUCCESSFUL by hiring a coordinator and now look what those teams had in terms of turnover of PLAYERS. That's not a luxury that exists in this age of parity.

**ptlyon** · 08-02-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Wow...fretting over 2006 already? No thanks, I'll enjoy this season first.

C'mon Titus - you know this season is already over

KCTitus · 08-02-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon

C'mon Titus - you know this season is already over

Damn...I musta missed that one! Im slipping...

**the Talking Can** · 08-02-2005, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I didn't compare Saunders to Martz in any way other than to suggest both were very good coordinators, considered by most to be the best.

I've never suggested Saunders is anything like Martz. However, that doesn't mean I think he can be successful.

It's not a given that we have to "blow up the team", you're right. However, it's a statistical probability in today's NFL. Look at the examples where continuity has been SUCCESSFUL by hiring a coordinator and now look what those teams had in terms of turnover of PLAYERS. That's not a luxury that exists in this age of parity.

ok, I'll GO read a BOOK of statistics and figure out WHY we don't have THE luxury of HIRING a good coach...and MAYBE it will tell me what IT means to randomly CAPITALIZE words...

te bottom line is you don't want AS to be the next coach and others do, that's fine...but it has nothing to do with statistics or any other pseudo-rational approaches...

08-01-2005, 07:23 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8079900	Holthus on Des Moines radio...only caught part of it... 8/18 Update posted by htismaqe Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in. Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell. On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been. ------------------------------- 8/16 Update posted by jspchief Talked about Gunther on the rampage. Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up. Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan. Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team. Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick. Some scrub from ISU quit the team. Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting. ------------------------------- 8/15 Update posted by htismaqe The news is not good boys. The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting. Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks. He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday. Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing. ------------------------------- 8/12 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out. ------------------------------- 8/11 Update posted by htismaqe Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news. Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55). ------------------------------- 8/10 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's. He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ. ------------------------------- 8/9 Update posted by htismaqe Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams. Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play. ------------------------------- 8/8 Update posted by htismaqe Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too. Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said. Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion. Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team. ------------------------------- 8/5 Update posted by htismaqe Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except... When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far. Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field. Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's. That's about all I can remember. ------------------------------- 8/4 Update posted by jspchief Talking LBs mostly. Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position. That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America. ------------------------------- 8/3 Update posted by htismaqe Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews: 1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right. 2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too. The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn. ------------------------------- 8/2 Update posted by htismaqe Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later). Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing. He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead. ------------------------------- 8/1 Update posted by htismaqe I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there: Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets. That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken". 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DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Htismaqe, You're missing the point. The reason I listed the other coaches (Fassel, Billick, etc) was to prove YOUR point that other coaches have gone onto become head coaches after leading the league in offensive or defensive categories, yet ARE successful. In addition, the Dallas Cowboys under Landry, Pittburgh under Cowher and Noll, SF under Walsh, Siefert & Mariucci were continously successful because they NEVER changed systems! It was just a matter of plugging in the right player, not rebuilding every few years. The same could be said for Parcell's system & coaches and ESPECIALLY Belichick's system in NE. Great scheme, never changes, plug in players. That's what the Chiefs need to do to continue their offensive success. In addition, comparing Al Saunder's head coaching past to Gunther's is WEAK. Saunders took over in mid-season, a team that was flailing in the wind and didn't have ANY success for another 6 years after he left. Also, to compare intellectually, Saunders to Gunther is stupid as well. Saunders graduated from Stanford and has a Master's degree in Psychology. I'd be surprised if Gunther even graduated from high school (though he's probably got a GED). Anyway, there's no way in the world that you can compare a coaching job from almost 20 years ago to the coaching job he would do today. I'm sure that like all of us, he's learned quite bit in the past 20 years. Dane
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