Mitch Holthus on Des Moines radio daily during camp...updates here - Page 22

htismaqe · 07:28 AM

8/18 Update posted by htismaqe
Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in.

Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell.

On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been.

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8/16 Update posted by jspchief
Talked about Gunther on the rampage.

Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up.

Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan.

Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team.

Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick.

Some scrub from ISU quit the team.

Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting.

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8/15 Update posted by htismaqe
The news is not good boys.

The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting.

Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks.

He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday.

Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing.
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8/12 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out.

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8/11 Update posted by htismaqe
Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news.

Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55).

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8/10 Update posted by htismaqe
Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's.

He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ.

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8/9 Update posted by htismaqe
Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams.

Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play.

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8/8 Update posted by htismaqe
Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too.

Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said.

Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion.

Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team.

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8/5 Update posted by htismaqe
Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except...

When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far.

Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field.

Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's.

That's about all I can remember.

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8/4 Update posted by jspchief
Talking LBs mostly.

Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position.

That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America.

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8/3 Update posted by htismaqe
Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews:

1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right.

2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too.

The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn.

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8/2 Update posted by htismaqe
Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later).

Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing.

He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead.

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8/1 Update posted by htismaqe
I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there:

Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp

Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets.

That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken".

Rukdafaidas · 08-10-2005, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I hope it has nothing to do with Bell's health...

I don't think so, he's been practicing, but who knows.

Chiefnj · 08-10-2005, 08:01 AM

Where did you hear that he won't play?

Rukdafaidas · 08-10-2005, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Where did you hear that he won't play?

It was reported on guess who's website.....so, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it.

htismaqe · 08-10-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

When he said nobody stands out after Kennison, does that mean they are all doing equally well, or they are all equally mediocre?

That they're all doing equally well, but none of them look like potential stars.

He said there's no Andre Johnsons or Randy Moss' on this team. But there are several guys who can take some pressure off of the core players.

htismaqe · 08-10-2005, 08:10 AM

Holthus has spent quite a bit of time over the last couple of interviews talking about injuries and he hasn't mentioned Bell.

KCTitus · 08-10-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Holthus has spent quite a bit of time over the last couple of interviews talking about injuries and he hasn't mentioned Bell.

Ive read a couple of times most recently in Dean's article about Johnson that Bell has yet to go full speed and the team is not letting him and that DV and Bell both are not confident he's 'ready'.

That's not a good sign.

Chiefnj · 08-10-2005, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas

It was reported on guess who's website.....so, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it.

Rick Dean's article has a quote about Bell that makes you wonder if you know who is right.

htismaqe · 08-10-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KCTitus

Ive read a couple of times most recently in Dean's article about Johnson that Bell has yet to go full speed and the team is not letting him and that DV and Bell both are not confident he's 'ready'.

That's not a good sign.

Could that be he's not "ready" because he's not getting enough reps, because the team is being too cautious with him? If that's the case, it's easily rectified. I'm not gonna worry too much about it until the guy is actually injured.

**dirk digler** · 08-10-2005, 08:22 AM

From yesterday. Didn't he have a shoulder problem?

Q: You said you haven’t had a chance to turn Kendrell Bell loose this year. What were you talking about? Blitz situations?

VERMEIL: “No, full-speed contact drills, the nine-on-sevens and the half-lines and team and blitz periods. We just haven’t turned him loose because we aren’t confident and he isn’t confident that he’s ready to go.”

Q: Is he going to play Friday?

VERMEIL: “I don’t think so.”

htismaqe · 08-10-2005, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

From yesterday. Didn't he have a shoulder problem?

Q: You said you haven’t had a chance to turn Kendrell Bell loose this year. What were you talking about? Blitz situations?

VERMEIL: “No, full-speed contact drills, the nine-on-sevens and the half-lines and team and blitz periods. We just haven’t turned him loose because we aren’t confident and he isn’t confident that he’s ready to go.”

Q: Is he going to play Friday?

VERMEIL: “I don’t think so.”

So he's not hurt, they're just being very cautious with him. Doesn't sound good, but it could be worse.

Chiefnj · 08-10-2005, 08:47 AM

How did he pass the physical?

**the Talking Can** · 08-10-2005, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

From yesterday. Didn't he have a shoulder problem?

Q: You said you haven’t had a chance to turn Kendrell Bell loose this year. What were you talking about? Blitz situations?

VERMEIL: “No, full-speed contact drills, the nine-on-sevens and the half-lines and team and blitz periods. We just haven’t turned him loose because we aren’t confident and he isn’t confident that he’s ready to go.”

Q: Is he going to play Friday?

VERMEIL: “I don’t think so.”

that's strange...because Bell claimed he was 100% ready to play in the offseason....

Brock · 08-10-2005, 09:03 AM

Well.....it's not like we didn't know he was injury prone...

ct · 08-10-2005, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Well.....it's not like we didn't know he was injury prone...

Right, and we signed him as such, he really wasn't that costly. It's a high risk/high reward situation. This early in pre-season, there really isn't any pressure to turn him loose anyway. I'm not overly concerned with holding him back at this point. Three weeks from now, I might be...

htismaqe · 08-10-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by coryt

Right, and we signed him as such, he really wasn't that costly. It's a high risk/high reward situation. This early in pre-season, there really isn't any pressure to turn him loose anyway. I'm not overly concerned with holding him back at this point. Three weeks from now, I might be...

Exactly.

08-01-2005, 07:23 AM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8079900	Holthus on Des Moines radio...only caught part of it... 8/18 Update posted by htismaqe Hinted (like he hinted Monday about Tynes' arrest) that Todd Collins was in trouble. More to come later today from the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Vermeil appeared to have Tynes' back, but he was visibly upset with the kicker at other times. Still thinks competition will be brought in. Surtain has been the star of camp. Said even though the guy is a top NFL CB, he approached camp like he was fighting for the 53rd spot on the roster. Great player and great example. Derrick Johnson is legit and has the chance to be up there with DT, Lanier, and Bell. On the offensive side, talked alot about LJ and the o-line, and how stellar Roaf and Waters have been. ------------------------------- 8/16 Update posted by jspchief Talked about Gunther on the rampage. Morning practice, he tore Grigsby a new asshole for mistakes lining up. Afternoon practice, he told Alphonso Hodge that he can find 100,000 people to do the job as good as he is, and that he fired the last player that played like that. Apparently Hodge talked back to him at that point, which can't be good for your lifespan. Coaches that win a superbowl with one team have never won one with the next team. Vermeil is frustrated with all the man hours missed. Is tired of guys sitting out for every little nick. Some scrub from ISU quit the team. Talked a bit about Bell, but didn't say anything that hasn't been in the other threads. Practicing in pads, but not hitting. ------------------------------- 8/15 Update posted by htismaqe The news is not good boys. The Chiefs gave up 8 plays over 15 yards. Gunther is beyond furious, Mitch said he was "beside himself". Jared Allen has been demoted, Jimmy Wilkerson is now starting. Kevin Sampson has a toe tendon problem, out 2-3 weeks. Todd Collins has a possible fracture, out 2-3 weeks. Holcombe will be out 6 weeks. He said Lawrence Tynes had a bad weekend "on and off the field". When asked to elaborate about the "off the field" comment, he hemmed and hawed and never did answer. Tynes must have gotten drunk too. Anyway, he said there will likely be competition brought into camp. The good news is that Tynes didn't miss a kick yesterday. Will Shields participated in workouts and could see full practice later this week, so that's at least one good thing. ------------------------------- 8/12 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the game. Starters will play slightly more than 1 quarter, except for Priest, LJ, Green, Gonzo. They will likely play only a couple of series'. Shields won't play. Bell won't play. Dunn is out. ------------------------------- 8/11 Update posted by htismaqe Not much today. Priest and Tony were "dancing like spring chickens" last night so that was good news. Talked mostly about the defense and the need to create turnovers. Forget yards, the defense last year had only 21 takeaways (franchise record) and 85 plays of longer than 20 yards (NFL average is 55). ------------------------------- 8/10 Update posted by htismaqe Talked about the WR's. Said, after Kennison, there isn't anybody that stands out. They're all the same. Talked a bit about Booth and McIntyre and their stints in NFLE. Said Freddie is still out, he tried to talk to him last night and Freddie just kinda grumbled and groaned and kept walking. Said that everybody at the position (WR) could be a 1-2 catch guy to compliment Holmes, Gonzo, and WILSON. Yes, he mentioned Wilson in the same breath as Holmes and Gonzales. Said the team will likely keep only 5 maybe 6 WR's. He said the team is much healthier already. Both Priest and Gonzo were back last night and looking better. Not sure about LJ. ------------------------------- 8/9 Update posted by htismaqe Concerned about special teams because of loss of Blaylock and Beisel. Said Boomer or Scanlon is going to have to step up. The good news is that Benny Sapp is turning into a monster on special teams. Also concerned about reps on Friday vs. the Vikings. Gonzo is better, wasn't limping much last night, but he won't play. Dunn won't play. Priest probably won't play. Larry Johnson is now dinged up, minor, but might not play. ------------------------------- 8/8 Update posted by htismaqe Very concerned about Tony's foot. He was limping pretty bad all weekend. Seemed concerned about Jason Dunn too. Greg Wesley looks like he's out to prove that he's still a hitter. Layed a hit on Priest like you wouldn't believe. Derrick Johnson also looks like he's on a mission to let everyone know he's not afraid of contact like the draftniks said. Talked again about Gunther unleashed, about the fights, and about the defense's passion. Finally he said there's going to be a couple of games where the defense and LJ have to carry this team. ------------------------------- 8/5 Update posted by htismaqe Was asked about Priest's concussion. Said the defense has been unleashed by Gunther, tired of being picked on. In goal line drills (when Priest got hurt) the defense stuffed them EVERY time except... When Larry Johnson carried the ball. He was just too strong and drug people into the end zone. Easily the offensive MVP of camp so far. Was asked about the fighting and if it was desired. Said "NO QUESTION" emphatically. Said the intensity is way up, especially on defense, and it's been missing for far too long. Vermeil has asked Gunther to go balls to the wall this year, leave it all on the field. Said Bo is silently having a good camp and that he separates himself easily from the other WR's because he's 1) 4 inches taller and 2) a key to our ST's. That's about all I can remember. ------------------------------- 8/4 Update posted by jspchief Talking LBs mostly. Said he doesn't think Woods or Fujita make the team, barring a string of injuries at either position. That's about it. Short interview. Told interesting story about hot Svitek got to America. ------------------------------- 8/3 Update posted by htismaqe Anyway, he did clarify or expound on a couple of his statements from previous interviews: 1) We have to get off to a good start this year. Yesterday, it was about the assistants looking for other jobs. Today it was the danger that a poor start would cause everybody -- players, coaches, and fans -- knowing that this is Vermeil's last year, to start discussing who the next coach would be instead of worrying about this season. I think from the brew-ha-ha yesterday we had on the very subject, despite the fact that the season hasn't even started, shows that he's probably right. 2) Ferentz being mentioned as a HC candidate. Bob Stoops would be in there too. The only thing of substance that he talked about was YET ANOTHER back injury, this time to Jason Dunn. ------------------------------- 8/2 Update posted by htismaqe Dexter McCleon IS the starter opposite Surtain. Not only that but Sapp is the nickel. Ambrose and Washington are both quite a bit behind. (Interestingly enough, I heard DA say the same thing on 610 about 30 minutes later). Also, this year is not like last year. If we go 1-3 we could be done. This is Vermeil's last year and if we start out slow, the assistants could just start looking for jobs instead of focusing. He also said that Kirk Ferentz' name has been whispered around Arrowhead. ------------------------------- 8/1 Update posted by htismaqe I heard most of the part about the coaches and what's going on there: Vermeil and Peterson have told Saunders, no excuses get Larry Johnson on the field -- Holthus editorialized a bit, said LJ looks SUPERB so far in camp Gunther and Saunders may have it out at some point during camp. There's been a few fights. Vermeil asked Gunther to tone it down a bit last year, but this year Vermeil has let him go back to being his old self. Saunders and Gunther have the giveaways/takeaways on a huge poster in the locker room and the defense right now is +8. Gunther rubs it in every chance he gets. That's really the big stuff I heard him say. Mitchell's injury didn't sound serious, he was confident Shields would be fine (although he did say it was a little concerning), Wiegmann looks rejuvinated, and Priest looks like a "spring chicken". 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dirk digler Please squeeze Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $94644	From yesterday. Didn't he have a shoulder problem? Q: You said you haven’t had a chance to turn Kendrell Bell loose this year. What were you talking about? Blitz situations? VERMEIL: “No, full-speed contact drills, the nine-on-sevens and the half-lines and team and blitz periods. We just haven’t turned him loose because we aren’t confident and he isn’t confident that he’s ready to go.” Q: Is he going to play Friday? VERMEIL: “I don’t think so.”
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