Will Grbac succeed or fail in Baltimore?... - Page 3

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-19-2001, 10:07 PM

Just curious as to what everyone thinks...

Why will he or won't he succeed, will he win over the fans, will he give Bmore back to back Championships, etc?

CG

and if no one wants to discuss this, thats fine. If you guys feel this has been beaten into the ground, I'll delete this topic, if ya'll want me too.:D

I'm a nice guy:p

LoudMouth · 07-20-2001, 11:02 AM

A Packers fan not a chance.

As for knowing EG personally, I wouldn’t give him the opportunity to spit shine my shoes. But, you do not have to know EG personally, to know that he is a sniffling cry-baby that places the blame on his teammates. All you had to do was listen to his post game interviews when they lost due to his incompetence, he could never face the fact that he lost the game on his own many times. Yes, Sharpe has a poor attitude but in a different way, he just believes he is above all.

KCTitus, if by chance EG does happen to amaze me and pull a SB out of his arse, I will gladly admit that I am wrong………but I am sure that will be a snow ball chance in hell!

Carl Peterson, is a dumb a$$, what was he thinking when he first signed EG anyway.

KCTitus · 07-20-2001, 11:10 AM

LoudMouth: That's interesting. Since I've only been able to read his comments via the Internet rather than the post game interviews, I must not get the full story.

Maybe you could enlighten me, a poor out of towner, about these comments. Please save the 'I cant catch them as well' comment as that was 3 years ago. If you're relying on that to base your opinion, then I think I know where you stand as well.

I seriously doubt Baltimore will win the SB with or without EG altogether this year. Having said that, Im objective enough to realize that EG's performance should not solely be based upon that goal.

Since you're new here, I'll will say that many, Clint is a good example, have so much personal stock invested in EG's failures that they cannot give him credit for anything he might do good. There was a comment made prior to last season by those that dislike EG intensely that EG wouldnt throw for 4000 yds and if he did, he would be an 'elite' QB. Well we know what happened and there was a lot of backtracking on that.

Maybe we could meet in the middle of the road here and say that he's not great, but at the same time he's not a pathetic loser that couldnt play football to save his own a$$.

Luzap · 07-20-2001, 11:16 AM

Personally, I like Elvis.

I also wish him luck with the Ravens.

I am a fan of the chiefs and hope we devour every foe.

From the top of my head, I can't think of any player that doesn't have their strengths and weaknesses and Elvis is no exception.

I have always felt that he was a Pro Bowl caliber player and could put up Pro Bowl caliber numbers. How was I wrong in this?

From the top of my head, however, I can't think of any other KC player that was treated so poorly by the fans. Elvis is good enough to choose to play elsewhere and he has made that choice.

I can find no good reason to continue to castigate him or defend him, other than to express my amazement at the obstinateness of some fans.

Luz
anxiousely awaiting to see if green is a pro bowl caliber qb...

Brock · 07-20-2001, 11:24 AM

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Luzap [/i]
[B]
From the top of my head, however, I can't think of any other KC player that was treated so poorly by the fans. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ever hear of Steve Bono or Lin Elliot? Gosh, I hope neither one of those guys got their feelings hurt.

Clint in Wichita · 07-20-2001, 12:04 PM

Generally, when a player gets his arse ripped wide open again and again and AGAIN by the fans and local media, there is a reason. I'm sure there are a few examples where the bashing was unjustified such as during the draft, but there aren't many.

I don't think Grbac was singled out for no good reason.

I'm with Luzap...I'm going to drop the subject unless by some miracle KC and Baltimore meet in the postseason. EG isn't worth the wear and tear on my keyboard!

Oxford · 07-20-2001, 12:12 PM

I'm sure that EG will succeed in Baltimore. Prove to his teammates that he is a whiner, direct Baltimore to the playoffs (but not a SB this year), cause division in the locker room because of some stupid comment yet unmade and finally that by his own actions off the field, prove to be a low-class individual.

I don't wish him harm or to fail, he'll do that on his own. I can always admire a person with class for that reason. But it's hard to admire someone with no class even if his accomplishments are great :)

07-20-2001, 12:20 PM

quote from Loudmouth "Carl Peterson, is a dumb a$$"

...and disputing with Titus....

~If this isn't packfan...it could be his illegitimate brother. ;)

Lightning Rod · 07-20-2001, 01:40 PM

IMHO
E.G. is in somewhat of a no-win situation. Balt. Due mostly to an outstanding defense won the big one last year. While their D should again be well above average it is unlikely to have them play to the same level this year as they did last. We have seen it several times with the Chiefs. It is just human nature to coast a little after a great year. Elvis again IMHO has more physical talent than does Dilfer but, things more difficult to measure such as heart and people skills may be lacking. Again most people think Balt won it all inspite of Dilfer and their offense last year. This will lead the Balt fans to find anything short of another SB victory as a step back. Not really fair but that is the way it is.

LoudMouth · 07-20-2001, 01:41 PM

Okay, since I am a newbie I do not know if being Packfan’s illegitimate brother is a good thing or a bad thing. So, I am going to step out on a limb here and say it is probably a bad thing. None the less if Packfan look at CP as an idiot then he has to have some smarts. CP has really proven himself worthy of being known as a keen guy. Lets start with the hiring of Steve Bono, then we can go to the hiring of Elvis, then we can go to the fact that he hired Gunn. Gunn was a great guy, just not cut out to be a head coach. These are just some of the recent idiotic things that he has done…. Should I continue pointing out the obvious?

LoudMouth · 07-20-2001, 01:42 PM

KCTitus · 07-20-2001, 01:48 PM

LoudMouth: yes those are obviously bad things. Did CP do a stupid thing by letting EG leave?

58Forever · 07-20-2001, 01:51 PM

He'll be as successful as he was here and about as popular.

Look at it logically, as far as the Baltimore O goes, he's working with less talent than he had here. WRs anyway. So he'll have to rely on his talent more...which is limited, much as I hated to admit that when he was here...and when you throw his stupid comments into the fire, well, I just don't see him taking them back to the SB because I don't see their D being as dominant as last year...

If Grbastard is going to bad mouth TG, the best TE in the game, imagine what he'll will do to lesser receivers when they fail to catch his under, over, allover thrown balls...

Bitter? Still? you bet....f him.

Packfan · 07-20-2001, 02:19 PM

Loudmouth,

Its not a bad thing to be compared to me. Just read some of my posts and you will see why.

Things I stand for:

1. Rebuilding means rebuilding. Get rid of Peterson and start over

2. Build primarily through the draft

3. NEVER trade first round picks for QB who has been FREE twice in his career and is 8-11 as a starter

4. The Chiefs are closer to the bottom then they are to the top. Only the Bengals, Seahawks and Bears have Non-playoff win streaks longer than the Chiefs.

As far as regulars on this board, here is the lowdown:

Cannibal: Very knowledgable, tells it like it is
Gaz: Football savvy, understands the game, professional
Clint: Knows football
Mark M: Knows football
KPhobia: Good guy, argues with facts
Luzap: Your hard pressed to get anything specific and football related from him. Doesnt understand the game very well
Titus: More concerned with your english and previous quotes than debating the current topic. Kind of a loser being that he has printed and saved 100% of my posts from the last three years. Has vowed five times to never speak to me again
Injun: Idiot
Bliss: Rarely shows up after Chief losses. Likes to talk about alot of things unrelated to the Chiefs/NFL. Big time Bobby Knight fan
Milkman: Knows football

What will happen eventually here, is that you and I will be accused of being one in the same by some of our brighter posters (Luzap, Bliss, Titus). You will also see that I support MOST arguments with sound facts. I would like to see that out of more posters, but the facts speak for themselves. Its hard to argue that the Chiefs have the best fans in the NFL when 15,000 of them dont show up for a December game last year. Yet, somebody will come back and try to argue that by bringing up the Packers or Broncos fans.

If you are going to bash Peterson, be ready to support it and be ready to be called names and threatened with the "ignore" feature thats on this board. "Ignoring" you means never seeing any of your posts. Can you believe it? A football chat room that allows one to ignore someone elses opinion.

Go figure.

LoudMouth · 07-20-2001, 02:20 PM

Letting EG go was the smartest thing CP ever did!

MrBlond · 07-20-2001, 02:20 PM

JCJohnny, ck_IN,

Please give me one reason to have any mindset other that Elvis is an avg. to poor QB. If that reason is a stat, I will post side by side comparisons to Jeff George, Scott Mitchell, etc. I don't think Elvis sucks because he has not won a Superbowl. I don't put all the blame on him. But as the QB he deserves criticism for the teams poor showing and his poor performances i.e.. 5 yards short with no timeouts, etc. As for having a vested interest in his continued mediocrity, Titus is right. I have bashed E.G. for the last 3 years. if he becomes a top-flight QB(winning in the playoffs, making crucial plays in tight situations, LEADING by example) I will look like I didn't recognize a talented QB right in front of my eyes. But Backers have a vested interest as well. If he fails in Baltimore where he has almost every advantage(great defense, solid RB, good coaching, 2 games each against cincy and pitt, jax) Backers may also look foolish.

07-19-2001, 10:07 PM
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07-20-2001, 11:02 AM	#31
LoudMouth Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	A Packers fan not a chance. As for knowing EG personally, I wouldn’t give him the opportunity to spit shine my shoes. But, you do not have to know EG personally, to know that he is a sniffling cry-baby that places the blame on his teammates. All you had to do was listen to his post game interviews when they lost due to his incompetence, he could never face the fact that he lost the game on his own many times. Yes, Sharpe has a poor attitude but in a different way, he just believes he is above all. KCTitus, if by chance EG does happen to amaze me and pull a SB out of his arse, I will gladly admit that I am wrong………but I am sure that will be a snow ball chance in hell! Carl Peterson, is a dumb a$$, what was he thinking when he first signed EG anyway. __________________ Don't press your luck!
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07-20-2001, 11:10 AM	#32
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	LoudMouth: That's interesting. Since I've only been able to read his comments via the Internet rather than the post game interviews, I must not get the full story. Maybe you could enlighten me, a poor out of towner, about these comments. Please save the 'I cant catch them as well' comment as that was 3 years ago. If you're relying on that to base your opinion, then I think I know where you stand as well. I seriously doubt Baltimore will win the SB with or without EG altogether this year. Having said that, Im objective enough to realize that EG's performance should not solely be based upon that goal. Since you're new here, I'll will say that many, Clint is a good example, have so much personal stock invested in EG's failures that they cannot give him credit for anything he might do good. There was a comment made prior to last season by those that dislike EG intensely that EG wouldnt throw for 4000 yds and if he did, he would be an 'elite' QB. Well we know what happened and there was a lot of backtracking on that. Maybe we could meet in the middle of the road here and say that he's not great, but at the same time he's not a pathetic loser that couldnt play football to save his own a$$. __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you... Last edited by KCTitus; 07-20-2001 at 11:12 AM..
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07-20-2001, 11:16 AM	#33
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	Personally, I like Elvis. I also wish him luck with the Ravens. I am a fan of the chiefs and hope we devour every foe. From the top of my head, I can't think of any player that doesn't have their strengths and weaknesses and Elvis is no exception. I have always felt that he was a Pro Bowl caliber player and could put up Pro Bowl caliber numbers. How was I wrong in this? From the top of my head, however, I can't think of any other KC player that was treated so poorly by the fans. Elvis is good enough to choose to play elsewhere and he has made that choice. I can find no good reason to continue to castigate him or defend him, other than to express my amazement at the obstinateness of some fans. Luz anxiousely awaiting to see if green is a pro bowl caliber qb...
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07-20-2001, 11:24 AM	#34
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Luzap [/i] [B] From the top of my head, however, I can't think of any other KC player that was treated so poorly by the fans. [/B][/QUOTE] Ever hear of Steve Bono or Lin Elliot? Gosh, I hope neither one of those guys got their feelings hurt.
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07-20-2001, 12:04 PM	#35
Clint in Wichita Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Generally, when a player gets his arse ripped wide open again and again and AGAIN by the fans and local media, there is a reason. I'm sure there are a few examples where the bashing was unjustified such as during the draft, but there aren't many. I don't think Grbac was singled out for no good reason. I'm with Luzap...I'm going to drop the subject unless by some miracle KC and Baltimore meet in the postseason. EG isn't worth the wear and tear on my keyboard!
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07-20-2001, 12:12 PM	#36
Oxford Regular Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Springfield,MO Casino cash: $9605535	I'm sure that EG will succeed in Baltimore. Prove to his teammates that he is a whiner, direct Baltimore to the playoffs (but not a SB this year), cause division in the locker room because of some stupid comment yet unmade and finally that by his own actions off the field, prove to be a low-class individual. I don't wish him harm or to fail, he'll do that on his own. I can always admire a person with class for that reason. But it's hard to admire someone with no class even if his accomplishments are great :)
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07-20-2001, 12:20 PM	#37
Iowanian Guest Casino cash: $	mark might be onto something.... quote from Loudmouth "Carl Peterson, is a dumb a$$" ...and disputing with Titus.... ~If this isn't packfan...it could be his illegitimate brother. ;)
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07-20-2001, 01:40 PM	#38
Lightning Rod Need a new title Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Prairie Village Casino cash: $10004900	IMHO E.G. is in somewhat of a no-win situation. Balt. Due mostly to an outstanding defense won the big one last year. While their D should again be well above average it is unlikely to have them play to the same level this year as they did last. We have seen it several times with the Chiefs. It is just human nature to coast a little after a great year. Elvis again IMHO has more physical talent than does Dilfer but, things more difficult to measure such as heart and people skills may be lacking. Again most people think Balt won it all inspite of Dilfer and their offense last year. This will lead the Balt fans to find anything short of another SB victory as a step back. Not really fair but that is the way it is.
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07-20-2001, 01:41 PM	#39
LoudMouth Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	Okay, since I am a newbie I do not know if being Packfan’s illegitimate brother is a good thing or a bad thing. So, I am going to step out on a limb here and say it is probably a bad thing. None the less if Packfan look at CP as an idiot then he has to have some smarts. CP has really proven himself worthy of being known as a keen guy. Lets start with the hiring of Steve Bono, then we can go to the hiring of Elvis, then we can go to the fact that he hired Gunn. Gunn was a great guy, just not cut out to be a head coach. These are just some of the recent idiotic things that he has done…. Should I continue pointing out the obvious? __________________ Don't press your luck!
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07-20-2001, 01:42 PM	#40
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07-20-2001, 01:48 PM	#41
KCTitus Archivist Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Ethernet Casino cash: $9882732	LoudMouth: yes those are obviously bad things. Did CP do a stupid thing by letting EG leave? __________________ Anything you post on this BB can and will be used against you...
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07-20-2001, 01:51 PM	#42
58Forever It's dejavu all over again! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: at home in my own chair Casino cash: $10004900	He'll be as successful as he was here and about as popular. Look at it logically, as far as the Baltimore O goes, he's working with less talent than he had here. WRs anyway. So he'll have to rely on his talent more...which is limited, much as I hated to admit that when he was here...and when you throw his stupid comments into the fire, well, I just don't see him taking them back to the SB because I don't see their D being as dominant as last year... If Grbastard is going to bad mouth TG, the best TE in the game, imagine what he'll will do to lesser receivers when they fail to catch his under, over, allover thrown balls... Bitter? Still? you bet....f him. __________________ joe If the other team scores zero, three points is enough! "screw you guys, I'm going home."
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07-20-2001, 02:19 PM	#43
Packfan Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI, Door Casino cash: $10004900	Loudmouth, Its not a bad thing to be compared to me. Just read some of my posts and you will see why. Things I stand for: 1. Rebuilding means rebuilding. Get rid of Peterson and start over 2. Build primarily through the draft 3. NEVER trade first round picks for QB who has been FREE twice in his career and is 8-11 as a starter 4. The Chiefs are closer to the bottom then they are to the top. Only the Bengals, Seahawks and Bears have Non-playoff win streaks longer than the Chiefs. As far as regulars on this board, here is the lowdown: Cannibal: Very knowledgable, tells it like it is Gaz: Football savvy, understands the game, professional Clint: Knows football Mark M: Knows football KPhobia: Good guy, argues with facts Luzap: Your hard pressed to get anything specific and football related from him. Doesnt understand the game very well Titus: More concerned with your english and previous quotes than debating the current topic. Kind of a loser being that he has printed and saved 100% of my posts from the last three years. Has vowed five times to never speak to me again Injun: Idiot Bliss: Rarely shows up after Chief losses. Likes to talk about alot of things unrelated to the Chiefs/NFL. Big time Bobby Knight fan Milkman: Knows football What will happen eventually here, is that you and I will be accused of being one in the same by some of our brighter posters (Luzap, Bliss, Titus). You will also see that I support MOST arguments with sound facts. I would like to see that out of more posters, but the facts speak for themselves. Its hard to argue that the Chiefs have the best fans in the NFL when 15,000 of them dont show up for a December game last year. Yet, somebody will come back and try to argue that by bringing up the Packers or Broncos fans. If you are going to bash Peterson, be ready to support it and be ready to be called names and threatened with the "ignore" feature thats on this board. "Ignoring" you means never seeing any of your posts. Can you believe it? A football chat room that allows one to ignore someone elses opinion. Go figure. __________________ Ken Dienberg
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07-20-2001, 02:20 PM	#44
LoudMouth Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10004900	Letting EG go was the smartest thing CP ever did! __________________ Don't press your luck!
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07-20-2001, 02:20 PM	#45
MrBlond Lets Rock. Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: South of the border. Casino cash: $10004900	JCJohnny, ck_IN, Please give me one reason to have any mindset other that Elvis is an avg. to poor QB. If that reason is a stat, I will post side by side comparisons to Jeff George, Scott Mitchell, etc. I don't think Elvis sucks because he has not won a Superbowl. I don't put all the blame on him. But as the QB he deserves criticism for the teams poor showing and his poor performances i.e.. 5 yards short with no timeouts, etc. As for having a vested interest in his continued mediocrity, Titus is right. I have bashed E.G. for the last 3 years. if he becomes a top-flight QB(winning in the playoffs, making crucial plays in tight situations, LEADING by example) I will look like I didn't recognize a talented QB right in front of my eyes. But Backers have a vested interest as well. If he fails in Baltimore where he has almost every advantage(great defense, solid RB, good coaching, 2 games each against cincy and pitt, jax) Backers may also look foolish. __________________ "I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says, like dumb, I'm smart, and I want respect!"
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