Running Game ??

Bull · 09-10-2001, 06:31 AM

Where was the running game that keeps the defense off balance and opens up the passing game.

mcan · 09-10-2001, 06:34 AM

It was getting stuffed by Oak's big, dominant, backup defensive tackles.:rolleyes:

nmt1 · 09-10-2001, 07:17 AM

The Rams do it the other way around. Set up the run with the pass. We need to work on our whole offense. It'll come.

Bull · 09-10-2001, 07:51 AM

nmt1,

I got that Run/Pass thing backwards, thanks for correcting me.

nmt1 · 09-10-2001, 07:54 AM

No problem, Bull.;)

I think it will happen eventually though.

HC_Chief · 09-10-2001, 07:57 AM

I was wondering the same thing.

THIRTEEN RB totes? That's it?! wtf? :mad:

Holmes rips off a 7-8 yard gash, then sits. Did we bring Marty back?

I was not impressed with our O - not one bit. Our QB and receivers were way out of sync. we never even <i>tried</i> to establish a rushing attack. Only thing we did right was protect the passer.

If not for a good defensive performance (good, not great - we gave up 327 net passing yards :rolleyes: ), we get blown out.

We MUST establish a running game.

nmt1 · 09-10-2001, 07:58 AM

We're trying to make up for all those years that we ran 4x more than we passed.:D

**morphius** · 09-10-2001, 08:03 AM

In preseason we were not able to run the ball from the 2 TE set, this is an okay lineup for short yardage, but is awful for anything longer then a yard because everyone is packed into the area that you want to run. The LB's are in tight, the Safety's are in tight, and generally speaking the defense is not spread thin anywhere. The sooner the coaching staff sees this the better off we will be.

At least the one thing about this coaching staff is I expect them to learn what things work and what doesn't.

Morphius
Feeling better this morning.

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2001, 08:14 AM

when will one rb be allowed to run it 25 times? Why is this taboo?

The simple answer is this: if you want a good running game, you need a good RB. And we don't have one.

Check James and Dillons stats, even Ahman Green. Good RBs make good running games.

CP (are you listening crapfan?) has duped us again with mediocre talent at RB. This is undeniable.

HC_Chief · 09-10-2001, 08:24 AM

IMO Holmes is that guy. When given the opportunity, he proved it (Baltimore: 1000 yd season at nearly 5ypc)

We gave Priest SEVEN carries.

TRich: SIX

We never even tried to run it.

nmt1 · 09-10-2001, 08:25 AM

Can:

The point of this offense is to use the pass to set up the run. We couldn't pass consistently well so our plan was pretty much shot. The whole thing was out of sync.

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2001, 08:29 AM

sorry, if Holmes had great talent, do you think DV would keep him on the bench?

RB talent is obvious. Denver RBs have it, Colts have it, Saints have it, Bungles have it, Atlanta has it,....

Holmes had 1 good season(not a 1200 or 1400 yard season).

I think DV(contrary to public statements) doesn't believe in Holmes. Faulk NEVER SAT ON THE BENCH, EVER.

htismaqe · 09-10-2001, 08:31 AM

We suffered from 2 problems yesterday:

1) Our backs did not get enough totes. PERIOD. No flow, no rhythm...

2) Our run blocking was HORRIBLE in the preseason and it's HORRIBLE now...

As for the sitting on the bench, that's a bogus line of thinking. NONE of our backs got carries. Holmes was on the field, not on the bench, we just threw the ball every down...

nmt1 · 09-10-2001, 08:33 AM

I'm not trying to argue Holmes' talent. Haven't seen enough of him to know if he's is talented or not.
My point is, we are going to be passing more than running this year. It's just going to be that way. I actually find it refreshing after watching ten years of running backs being implanted in Tim Grunhard's butt.:p

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2001, 08:37 AM

agreed our run blocking is bad, and our O scheme was lopsided, but the simple point is this: Holmes isn't talented enough(I mean he is o.k., but that's it: just o.k.) If he is more talented, than DV is blind.

I trust DV on this. I think the game plan showed a lack of confidence in Holmes

09-10-2001, 06:31 AM
Bull Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Crawford Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Running Game ?? Where was the running game that keeps the defense off balance and opens up the passing game.
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09-10-2001, 06:34 AM	#2
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	It was getting stuffed by Oak's big, dominant, backup defensive tackles.:rolleyes:
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09-10-2001, 07:17 AM	#3
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	The Rams do it the other way around. Set up the run with the pass. We need to work on our whole offense. It'll come.
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09-10-2001, 07:51 AM	#4
Bull Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Crawford Texas Casino cash: $10004900	nmt1, I got that Run/Pass thing backwards, thanks for correcting me.
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09-10-2001, 07:54 AM	#5
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	No problem, Bull.;) I think it will happen eventually though.
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09-10-2001, 07:57 AM	#6
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	I was wondering the same thing. THIRTEEN RB totes? That's it?! wtf? :mad: Holmes rips off a 7-8 yard gash, then sits. Did we bring Marty back? I was not impressed with our O - not one bit. Our QB and receivers were way out of sync. we never even <i>tried</i> to establish a rushing attack. Only thing we did right was protect the passer. If not for a good defensive performance (good, not great - we gave up 327 net passing yards :rolleyes: ), we get blown out. We MUST establish a running game. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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09-10-2001, 07:58 AM	#7
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	We're trying to make up for all those years that we ran 4x more than we passed.:D
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09-10-2001, 08:03 AM	#8
morphius World's finest morphius Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $5715027	In preseason we were not able to run the ball from the 2 TE set, this is an okay lineup for short yardage, but is awful for anything longer then a yard because everyone is packed into the area that you want to run. The LB's are in tight, the Safety's are in tight, and generally speaking the defense is not spread thin anywhere. The sooner the coaching staff sees this the better off we will be. At least the one thing about this coaching staff is I expect them to learn what things work and what doesn't. Morphius Feeling better this morning.
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09-10-2001, 08:14 AM	#9
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9122208	when will one rb be allowed to run it 25 times? Why is this taboo? The simple answer is this: if you want a good running game, you need a good RB. And we don't have one. Check James and Dillons stats, even Ahman Green. Good RBs make good running games. CP (are you listening crapfan?) has duped us again with mediocre talent at RB. This is undeniable. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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09-10-2001, 08:24 AM	#10
HC_Chief That's just f***in' stupid Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: suburbia Casino cash: $3687107	IMO Holmes is that guy. When given the opportunity, he proved it (Baltimore: 1000 yd season at nearly 5ypc) We gave Priest SEVEN carries. TRich: SIX We never even tried to run it. __________________ "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the war room!"
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09-10-2001, 08:25 AM	#11
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Can: The point of this offense is to use the pass to set up the run. We couldn't pass consistently well so our plan was pretty much shot. The whole thing was out of sync.
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09-10-2001, 08:29 AM	#12
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9122208	sorry, if Holmes had great talent, do you think DV would keep him on the bench? RB talent is obvious. Denver RBs have it, Colts have it, Saints have it, Bungles have it, Atlanta has it,.... Holmes had 1 good season(not a 1200 or 1400 yard season). I think DV(contrary to public statements) doesn't believe in Holmes. Faulk NEVER SAT ON THE BENCH, EVER. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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09-10-2001, 08:31 AM	#13
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	We suffered from 2 problems yesterday: 1) Our backs did not get enough totes. PERIOD. No flow, no rhythm... 2) Our run blocking was HORRIBLE in the preseason and it's HORRIBLE now... As for the sitting on the bench, that's a bogus line of thinking. NONE of our backs got carries. Holmes was on the field, not on the bench, we just threw the ball every down...
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09-10-2001, 08:33 AM	#14
nmt1 Veteran Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm not trying to argue Holmes' talent. Haven't seen enough of him to know if he's is talented or not. My point is, we are going to be passing more than running this year. It's just going to be that way. I actually find it refreshing after watching ten years of running backs being implanted in Tim Grunhard's butt.:p
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09-10-2001, 08:37 AM	#15
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9122208	agreed our run blocking is bad, and our O scheme was lopsided, but the simple point is this: Holmes isn't talented enough(I mean he is o.k., but that's it: just o.k.) If he is more talented, than DV is blind. I trust DV on this. I think the game plan showed a lack of confidence in Holmes __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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