I think i need some advice

[QuikSsurfer]

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[Katipan]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

Is pot really "addictive" I always thought it wasn't... sure it was fun, but addictive?

I mean, I can see where one would get used to the feeling and what not, and enjoy the sensation of being high, but I love drinking, yet its just something you look forward to on the weekends.

If there wasn't always pot here, I'd never smoke.

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

Take that back!!!



Don't listen to him, Pot.
He didn't mean it!

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

Is pot really "addictive" I always thought it wasn't... sure it was fun, but addictive? ....

Research is somewhat mixed, but it's certainly not physically addictive like, say, heroin.

However, it's clearly psychologically addictive to people like QuickSsurfer here. Some would discount that fact, because not everyone is subject to that....but many are.

In the end, does it really matter whether or not it's physically or mentally addictive--it's still an addiction. I'd be willing to bet it doesn't to QuickSsurfer right now....

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

I didn't say anything bad about pot.

Beer sucks!!

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

Yup. In the end, for people as addicted as QuickSsurfer says he is....the difference is pretty inconsequential.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by Mer

Beer sucks!!

You know a chick named Beer?

Cool.

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Oh, I don't know about all that. Withdrawal from alcohol or coke can be a pretty nasty hellish experience. I'm pretty sure the guys going through detox this 24 hours would gladly change place with the pothead whose only source just got pinched.

I know this guy who lived in this town that would go dry. And one time he was so hard up for pot that he smoked stems and seeds.

I love him.

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Oh, I don't know about all that. Withdrawal from alcohol or coke can be a pretty nasty hellish experience. I'm pretty sure the guys going through detox this 24 hours would gladly change place with the pothead whose only source just got pinched.

Oh, I agree with that. In the scheme of things, long-term....it's still pretty inconsequential, IMO.

[dtebbe]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

If he is willing to do what he has to do though, its a great option.

This is one option you don't get to give up on or quit though... If you do it, stick with it for your enlistment, or else it is not a good idea for you.

I agree, but I think if this guy really wants HELP and not SYMPATHY, he would thrive.

As far as the whole "Don't wan't a druggie in a foxhole with me", I call BS, I went thru basic with some guys that were fresh off the street hardcore gangstas, and after about 4 weeks of getting broke down, they were the best team players in our company... and we NEVER lost any intra-company hand-hand combat drills

They were also the ones with the best looking uniforms and boots day in and day out after about 2 weeks. It was just clear they never had a goal or purpose in thier life until that DI got about 2 feet up thier ass.

DT

[joesomebody]

Originally Posted by ENDelt260

Your body doesn't develop a physical dependance on it like alcohol or cocaine (though, if we continue this discussion long enough, someone will produce documentation to the contrary. There's lots of studies out there slanted to both sides of every argument with pot.), but it can be psychologically addictive much like gambling, the Internet, chocolate, sex, or the murder of vagrants.

Ok I can see that, I never got too into it, so I guess it wasn't a big deal.

I'm a smoker, love to drink, and I can't start my day without coffee.

I'm not faulting him, I have some issues of my own for sure, I just didn't realize that it was a problem for people, just always thought they liked to get high

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by dtebbe

I agree, but I think if this guy really wants HELP and not SYMPATHY, he would thrive.

As far as the whole "Don't wan't a druggie in a foxhole with me", I call BS, I went thru basic with some guys that were fresh off the street hardcore gangstas, and after about 4 weeks of getting broke down, they were the best team players in our company... and we NEVER lost any intra-company hand-hand combat drills

They were also the ones with the best looking uniforms and boots day in and day out after about 2 weeks. It was just clear they never had a goal or purpose in thier life until that DI got about 2 feet up thier ass.

DT

Piss tests these days make that difficult....

[dtebbe]

Originally Posted by joesomebody

Ok I can see that, I never got too into it, so I guess it wasn't a big deal.

I'm a smoker, love to drink, and I can't start my day without coffee.

I'm not faulting him, I have some issues of my own for sure, I just didn't realize that it was a problem for people, just always thought they liked to get high

Get this joe.. you know the little town where I grew up right?

Well at one time...

My mom & step dad owned the liquor store

One of my best friends parents owned the grocery store

another of my best friends parents managed the casey's store

another of my best friends uncle had a whole basement full of pot plants....

Think we were part of the "party" crowd?

Wouldn't do that part any different either!

DT

Oh yea, and another of my friends knew where every unlocked farm fuel tank in the 3 county area was....

[dtebbe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Piss tests these days make that difficult....

This was not that long ago, 1988, we did P tests then too. I think I did 4 or 5 while I was in.

DT

[joesomebody]

Originally Posted by dtebbe

I agree, but I think if this guy really wants HELP and not SYMPATHY, he would thrive.

As far as the whole "Don't wan't a druggie in a foxhole with me", I call BS, I went thru basic with some guys that were fresh off the street hardcore gangstas, and after about 4 weeks of getting broke down, they were the best team players in our company... and we NEVER lost any intra-company hand-hand combat drills

They were also the ones with the best looking uniforms and boots day in and day out after about 2 weeks. It was just clear they never had a goal or purpose in thier life until that DI got about 2 feet up thier ass.

DT

Absolutely. I never said I didn't want former druggies in the military, I just don't think it's a good idea for someone who has ignored everyone in this thread's advise about quitting drugs by saying they could never kick weed to join up.

I don't know how serious the military was about anti drug rules when you were in, but they truly are one strike and out now.

As an E1-E4 you can expect to be tested about once every 3 months now and it is random, really no way to beat it, no shit drug tested.

Even at E5 and up you are randomly tested, just not as often.

If he can beat the habbit, I'm all for this as his best option.

(I by no means ever said I was drug free before joining.)

[Mr. Kotter]

Originally Posted by dtebbe

This was not that long ago, 1988, we did P tests then too. I think I did 4 or 5 while I was in.

DT

I suppose it depends on the branch, and maybe commanders. The units I was in, were pretty tough....I personally signed off on more than 30 discharges for hot piss tests in less than two years.