LET GUN FINISH WHAT HE STARTED - Page 2

sedated · 01:43 PM

In the final 8 games,

against 4 playoff teams:
NE - 7th in total Offense,
DEN - 5th in total Offense,
@ NYG - 4th in total Offense,
CIN - 6th in total Ofense

and 2 that were in the playoff race:
SD - 10th in total Offense,
@ DAL - 13th in total Offense

our Defense ranked 12th in NFL.

"First you take their heart, then you take their soul"

Isn't this what we all wished for in '02, '03, and '04?

Why doesn't anyone blame the offense for the eggs they laid against Buffalo, Denver (1st game) and Giants?

MOhillbilly · 01-12-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

Why doesn't anyone blame the offense for the eggs they laid against Buffalo, Denver (1st game) and Giants?

and those are times when the D needs to step up.

And id bet ANYONE watching those games had ZERO confidence that a Gunther Cunningham defense would or COULD step up.

htismaqe · 01-12-2006, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

Gun did a lot of good, and with a defensive minded HC to back him up, he should be able to improve more.

Even though he's NEVER done it before, in his entire career?

sedated · 01-12-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Even though he's NEVER done it before, in his entire career?

yeah, those 90's defenses really sucked.

I know he had DT and NSmith, but we have talent here too.

I want to see what happens when Grandpa isn't screwing everything up, and the focus of the team isn't totally on the offense.

Hammock Parties · 01-12-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Gunther's "effectiveness" in 2005... 25th ranked defense and 30th ranked pass defense.

Al Saunders in 2005... #1 ranked offense

That's why there tends to be more positive feelings towards Al Saunders, genius.

Well done, soldier.

FringeNC · 01-12-2006, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

I'll un-spin your argument now...

New England... No Corey Dillon or Kevin Faulk

Denver... Chiefs defense was shredded most of the game. I wouldn't call a 31-27 game a great defensive effort

Dallas... defense was ripped apart by a crappy offense (and I don't care what Dallas' statistical rank is, see what their offense did against Washington and in the final game against a horrible Lambs defense)

NY Giants... Tiki Barber toyed with the Chiefs defense

San Diego... only legit good defensive effort in your list of teams

Cincy... played Kitna most of the game

And the San Diego game was suspect. There were open WRs all over the field. Brees simply couldn't plant his feet in that terrible field, and the SD receivers dropped tons of passes in the rain. Under normal conditions, that game would have been a shootout.

Cinci quit in that game after Kitna came in. They quit the next week to against Pitt. (By the way, Marvin Lewis is supposed to be a genius. Cinci's D is horrible and they win with O. Marvin Lewis = overrated.)

milkman · 01-12-2006, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

yeah, those 90's defenses really sucked.

I know he had DT and NSmith, but we have talent here too.

I want to see what happens when Grandpa isn't screwing everything up, and the focus of the team isn't totally on the offense.

Parker's point is that Gunt has never improved a defense's statistical ranking in 2 consecutive years.

tk13 · 01-12-2006, 04:49 PM

I think the New England and Denver games were among our better D efforts. New England didn't have a running game, no, but this is the same team that won two Super Bowl titles without a running game, and it was really their only blemish in a streak where they were killing everybody.

And Denver's a damn good offensive team. I seem to have way more respect for Denver than most people that follow the NFL though. I think that's why Gonzo picked them to win yesterday, he's actually played against them. That team is like two plays from being a 15-1 team... and they have shredded people all year. But that 2nd game, Shanahan had to pull every trick play in the book to beat us, and he still couldn't do it. We made all the key plays and stopped them in the 4th quarter, and beat them down physically.

Mr. Laz · 01-12-2006, 04:55 PM

number of 1st round picks

offense:

Gonzo
Roaf
johnson
kennison

defense:

sims
johnson
woods
washington

**HemiEd** · 01-12-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Actually, I'd have much preferred letting Saunders finish what he and Vermeil started...with a new DC next year, of course.

We lose Saunders, and keep Gun. Great, just great.

Kind of like school, you do good you move on and you do bad you stay until you get it right?

kcfanXIII · 01-12-2006, 05:06 PM

a change at defensive coordinator will set back the defense back another 3 years. its dificult to learn a new system on offense or defense. this offense has one more year of dominance in it, assuming roaf or shields or both come back. stay the course. gun will field a top 15 defense next year. the only thing he needs to do different is press the corners and do the number 1 number 2 thing, instead of left and right.

FringeNC · 01-12-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

a change at defensive coordinator will set back the defense back another 3 years.

Where's your evidence of this? Gun's first year with the Chiefs (1995) is by far his best. Marty's best D was his first year here. This myth of 2-3 yeards needed to implement a system...it's just total b.s.

**the Talking Can** · 01-12-2006, 05:11 PM

Gun should be embarrassed to be in the presence of Al Saunders.

FringeNC · 01-12-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

Gun should be embarrassed to be in the presence of Al Saunders.

Maybe he is, and that's why he moved from upstairs to the field.

philfree · 01-12-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SideWinder

Parker's point is that Gunt has never improved a defense's statistical ranking in 2 consecutive years.

It may be a little different then taking over a D that already had quality players like DT, James Hasty, and the others. Gun took over a rock bottom D this time around so perhaps his chances of improving in back to back years is a little better. What were the rankings of the D in Guns good years? High enough I wager that improving it would have been pretty tough to do. I don't really remember but wasn't one of those Ds the #1 ranked D in the league? Since we were 25th in 2005 I have a hunch that Gun will see his second straight year of defensive improvement.

PhilFree

philfree · 01-12-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

It may be a little different then taking over a D that already had quality players like DT, James Hasty, and the others. Gun took over a rock bottom D this time around so perhaps his chances of improving in back to back years is a little better. What were the rankings of the D in Guns good years? High enough I wager that improving it would have been pretty tough to do. I don't really remember but wasn't one of those Ds the #1 ranked D in the league? Since we were 25th in 2005 I have a hunch that Gun will see his second straight year of defensive improvement.

PhilFree

I figured a half hour would be plenty of time for my statement to be rebutted. Go ahead it ain't gonna hurt my feelings. Really I can take it

PhilFree

01-12-2006, 01:31 PM
sedated Like I woke up in Wonderland.. Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $836558	LET GUN FINISH WHAT HE STARTED In the final 8 games, against 4 playoff teams: NE - 7th in total Offense, DEN - 5th in total Offense, @ NYG - 4th in total Offense, CIN - 6th in total Ofense and 2 that were in the playoff race: SD - 10th in total Offense, @ DAL - 13th in total Offense our Defense ranked 12th in NFL. "First you take their heart, then you take their soul" Isn't this what we all wished for in '02, '03, and '04? Why doesn't anyone blame the offense for the eggs they laid against Buffalo, Denver (1st game) and Giants? Last edited by sedated; 01-12-2006 at 01:43 PM..
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01-12-2006, 04:49 PM	#22
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1937500	I think the New England and Denver games were among our better D efforts. New England didn't have a running game, no, but this is the same team that won two Super Bowl titles without a running game, and it was really their only blemish in a streak where they were killing everybody. And Denver's a damn good offensive team. I seem to have way more respect for Denver than most people that follow the NFL though. I think that's why Gonzo picked them to win yesterday, he's actually played against them. That team is like two plays from being a 15-1 team... and they have shredded people all year. But that 2nd game, Shanahan had to pull every trick play in the book to beat us, and he still couldn't do it. We made all the key plays and stopped them in the 4th quarter, and beat them down physically.
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kcfanXIII Ride on! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Galaxy far far away Casino cash: $10013172	a change at defensive coordinator will set back the defense back another 3 years. its dificult to learn a new system on offense or defense. this offense has one more year of dominance in it, assuming roaf or shields or both come back. stay the course. gun will field a top 15 defense next year. the only thing he needs to do different is press the corners and do the number 1 number 2 thing, instead of left and right. __________________ Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed, overcomes the fear of death.
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