Defense attorneys: DNA testing finds no match in Duke lacrosse case

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:18 PM

What amazes me is how many times these accusations are found to be untrue. Some one was telling me the other day that over 70% of all alleged rapes are lies. Of course I don't have anything to back that up with without doing some research first. The President of Duke should be fired over this. It's scary what women can get by with now. When one whores word carries more weight than an entire house full of College students we are way over the line IMO.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charges have been filed in the case.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith.

The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.

Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested.

District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.

Smith said Nifong now has the evidence needed to change his mind.

"He doesn't have to do it," Smith said of filing charges. "He is a man with discretion. He doesn't have to do it, and we hope that he won't."

Nifong's assistant said earlier Monday the prosecutor would not comment on the findings. North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains, said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.

"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.

Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.

"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here," Cheshire said.

Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case -- but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.

"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."

Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.

"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:21 PM

What's killing me is they still protecting her even now. She is a criminal and should be prosecuted and not longer have the protective "alleged victim" status.

**Saulbadguy** · 04-10-2006, 05:22 PM

Strippers are always liars.

Mecca · 04-10-2006, 05:23 PM

Don't worry, she'll say it still happened. There was some guy on some news show I was watching the other day saying things like. "Not having DNA is no proof it didn't happen, it is possible the men used condoms to not leave anything behind".

She is always going to get the benefit of the doubt regardless of how stupid it seems.

NaptownChief · 04-10-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Strippers are always liars.

SWK....stay away

Cntrygal · 04-10-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Don't worry, she'll say it still happened. There was some guy on some news show I was watching the other day saying things like. "Not having DNA is no proof it didn't happen, it is possible the men used condoms to not leave anything behind".

She is always going to get the benefit of the doubt regardless of how stupid it seems.

That's stupid - if there was "NO DNA" - then WTF did they even do the testing? Talk about a waste of money. Dumbasses.

And for the record - anyone getting caught making any type of false accusations should be punished and no longer deserved to have their identity protected from the public.

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Don't worry, she'll say it still happened. There was some guy on some news show I was watching the other day saying things like. "Not having DNA is no proof it didn't happen, it is possible the men used condoms to not leave anything behind".

She is always going to get the benefit of the doubt regardless of how stupid it seems.

Apparently she has has a real sketchy past too. I found this interesting.

http://christianparty.net/dna.htm

NaptownChief · 04-10-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Apparently she has has a real sketchy past too.

A stripper? You have to be kidding us. Strippers never have a sketchy past.

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cntrygal

That's stupid - if there was "NO DNA" - then WTF did they even do the testing? Talk about a waste of money. Dumbasses.

And for the record - anyone getting caught making any type of false accusations should be punished and no longer deserved to have their identity protected from the public.

She claimed she choked, raped and fought them off breaking her fingernails. IF anything remotely resembling that happened there would have been a lot DNA evidence.

The president of Duke should be fired for making this decision.

Mr. Laz · 04-10-2006, 05:33 PM

Mecca · 04-10-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Apparently she has has a real sketchy past too. I found this interesting.

http://christianparty.net/dna.htm

Our media promotes all of that info too. By saying things like women don't come forward when they're raped and by putting out stats like "1 in 3 women with be raped".

I still think our laws toward rape are ridiculous. Some woman I don't even know could say I raped her and here come the cops to haul my ass to jail with no probable cause.

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NaptownChief

A stripper? You have to be kidding us. Strippers never have a sketchy past.

My buddy sent me the article. He also said that in June 2002 there was an incident in which the alleged victim stole the taxi of a man to whom she was giving a lap dance at a Durham strip club. Court records say she led a sheriff's deputy on a winding chase at up to 70 mph, and tried to run him down as he approached the cab.

I didn't read that in this though and he signed off. I am sure someone can come up with it in a search.

Mecca · 04-10-2006, 05:38 PM

If anyone questions this womans character every minority group in the country will flip out because she happens to be black.

Katipan · 04-10-2006, 05:38 PM

Sodomy with no indicating tears or stretching?

Those rapists had little weenies.

BIG_DADDY · 04-10-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Our media promotes all of that info too. By saying things like women don't come forward when they're raped and by putting out stats like "1 in 3 women with be raped".

I still think our laws toward rape are ridiculous. Some woman I don't even know could say I raped her and here come the cops to haul my ass to jail with no probable cause.

There was a girl at a party I was at in Florida as a kid who was taking on all cummers in the back bedroom. I told my girl this was a bad scene, we should leave. Next day it was on the news she was accusing guys at the party of gang raping her. I don't know what happened after we left but she grabbed those guys saying lets party when it started. It was quite obvious she was not only more than willing but wanting to put on a show from what I saw. Scary stuff.

04-10-2006, 05:18 PM
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $2558410	Defense attorneys: DNA testing finds no match in Duke lacrosse case What amazes me is how many times these accusations are found to be untrue. Some one was telling me the other day that over 70% of all alleged rapes are lies. Of course I don't have anything to back that up with without doing some research first. The President of Duke should be fired over this. It's scary what women can get by with now. When one whores word carries more weight than an entire house full of College students we are way over the line IMO. http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday. Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party. No charges have been filed in the case. "No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith. The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her. Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested. District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team. Smith said Nifong now has the evidence needed to change his mind. "He doesn't have to do it," Smith said of filing charges. "He is a man with discretion. He doesn't have to do it, and we hope that he won't." Nifong's assistant said earlier Monday the prosecutor would not comment on the findings. North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case. Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains, said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes. "They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said. Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently. "The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here," Cheshire said. Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case -- but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder. "Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do." Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew. "I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.
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