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Old 04-28-2006, 08:41 AM   #1
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USC is in deep doodoo.
That's the sad part. This is all about under the table dealings regarding Bush's future pro career, yet the only ones that will receive punishment will be the USC football program.
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:59 AM   #2
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That's the sad part. This is all about under the table dealings regarding Bush's future pro career, yet the only ones that will receive punishment will be the USC football program.
And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:03 AM   #3
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And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.
Yeah, a black family in a house like that should automatically raise a red flag.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:40 AM   #4
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Yeah, a black family in a house like that should automatically raise a red flag.


Or it could be that when he was recruited out of HS, the Coach failed to notice that the kid's family lived in low income housing, but now his family is living in a mansion in the hills.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:48 AM   #5
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Or it could be that when he was recruited out of HS, the Coach failed to notice that the kid's family lived in low income housing, but now his family is living in a mansion in the hills.
It was hardly a mansion. It was 3 bedroom home with 3000 square feet and frankly it is no where nearly as nice as my home which is not close to being a mansion. The only real plus for that home is the Lake view.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:51 AM   #6
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It was hardly a mansion. It was 3 bedroom home with 3000 square feet and frankly it is no where nearly as nice as my home which is not close to being a mansion. The only real plus for that home is the Lake view.
For you maybe, but for some poor ****er like me it's a goddamn mansion.
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:05 PM   #7
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It was hardly a mansion. It was 3 bedroom home with 3000 square feet and frankly it is no where nearly as nice as my home which is not close to being a mansion. The only real plus for that home is the Lake view.

I wasn't really focussing on Bush himself, just in general. Schools know this stuff goes on and if they don't want sanctions, they should make a bit more of an attempt to regulate this stuff. Saddly, Bush and the Agent are to blame, but the School will get the penalty.


Kinda like, for example, when I was attending MU, from time to time you'd see athletes drafted from inner-city setting driving new sports cars. How did they afford such pricey cars given their lifestyles before college?
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:11 PM   #8
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I wasn't really focussing on Bush himself, just in general. Schools know this stuff goes on and if they don't want sanctions, they should make a bit more of an attempt to regulate this stuff. Saddly, Bush and the Agent are to blame, but the School will get the penalty.


Kinda like, for example, when I was attending MU, from time to time you'd see athletes drafted from inner-city setting driving new sports cars. How did they afford such pricey cars given their lifestyles before college?
Why should the school be responsible in this case? It had nothing to do with them.

I'm not sure you understand the story behind this. This wasn't USC booster rewarding Bush for playing at USC. This was someone bribing Bush to get business from his pro career. USC gained nothing.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:07 AM   #9
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And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.
This has nothing to do with the USC football program. It's not about the program buying players. This was a guy that was trying to secure part of Bush's pro career business by giving him an early advance. Bush violated NCAA regulations, USC didn't. But USC will probably still suffer consequences.

And to be clear, it wasn't that luxurious of a house. Certainly a step up from where they lived, but nothing extravagant. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect the football program to keep dibs on where player's parents live, or whether they can afford to live there.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:18 AM   #10
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This has nothing to do with the USC football program. It's not about the program buying players. This was a guy that was trying to secure part of Bush's pro career business by giving him an early advance. Bush violated NCAA regulations, USC didn't. But USC will probably still suffer consequences.

And to be clear, it wasn't that luxurious of a house. Certainly a step up from where they lived, but nothing extravagant. I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect the football program to keep dibs on where player's parents live, or whether they can afford to live there.
They wouldn't have to investigate every team member. Just the ones likely to receive help from outside sources. I'll bet most of the team knew it. USC should have known it.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:24 AM   #11
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They wouldn't have to investigate every team member. Just the ones likely to receive help from outside sources. I'll bet most of the team knew it. USC should have known it.
But why is their responsibility to? Can they really do anything to keep Bush from entering into illegal transactions?

I think you have to be able to recognize what is the resposibility of the individual, and what is the responsibilty of the school. They can't control this any more than they can control a player getting drunk and driving or getting into a fight.

What makes this a rare case is Bush got away with it long enough that the football program no longer has any power to levy punishment on him.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:26 AM   #12
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But why is their responsibility to? Can they really do anything to keep Bush from entering into illegal transactions?

I think you have to be able to recognize what is the resposibility of the individual, and what is the responsibilty of the school. They can't control this any more than they can control a player getting drunk and driving or getting into a fight.

What makes this a rare case is Bush got away with it long enough that the football program no longer has any power to levy punishment on him.
I'll bet the NCAA won't see it that way.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:41 AM   #13
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I'll bet the NCAA won't see it that way.
I agree. My point is that I don't think it's fair to the school.
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Old 04-28-2006, 09:29 AM   #14
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And the USC football program had no idea that kid's family couldn't afford that luxurious house? Sound like lack of institutional control to me.
By Cali standards, that house wasn't outrageous. In an episode of Flip This House (or is it Flip That House), this total piece house in which squatters had lived for two years and the kitchen and plumbing needed to be replaced still sold for $350K.
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This is not USC's fault. Nor in my mind is it Reggie Bush's fault. Hell, how many of us would not do whatever it took to move our families into safe, secure housing.

I don't know where they came from, but suffice to say that if Reggie got his folks out of poverty, then good for him.
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