Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf? - Page 2

Moooo · 07-28-2006, 08:54 PM

Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance.

That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going.

Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly.

I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it.

Moooo

milkman · 07-28-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVE

What irritates me most is the timing of it...if he would have made up his mind earlier we may have been able to find a more adequate replacement. I guess we will just have to see what we have in Jordan Black or Turley whoever.

Yeah.

Oh How are we ever going to find someone to start there is just six weeks?

Is it too late to cancel the season?

**petegz28** · 07-28-2006, 09:37 PM

Teams with lesser offensive lines have made it further than the Chiefs. Look at Pittsburgh. Seattle. San Diego. Indy.....I don't think any of them have or had as good of an O-Line as us.

sedated · 07-28-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Teams with lesser offensive lines have made it further than the Chiefs. Look at Pittsburgh. Seattle. San Diego. Indy.....I don't think any of them have or had as good of an O-Line as us.

word of advise: when listing teams that succeeded without great OLines, leave out the team that was thought of as the best

**dirk digler** · 07-28-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Moooo

I never said it wasn't an issue for concern, I asked why everyone is freaking out. It doesn't make Roaf come back, or Black or Turley play better.

Moooo

N00b

**Rain Man** · 07-28-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Moooo

I never said it wasn't an issue for concern, I asked why everyone is freaking out. It doesn't make Roaf come back, or Black or Turley play better.

Moooo

Why do all of the Japanese people run when Godzilla rises out of Tokyo Bay? It's not like they can get away from Godzilla. He's Godzilla, for crying out loud!

**petegz28** · 07-28-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

word of advise: when listing teams that succeeded without great OLines, leave out the team that was thought of as the best

Whatever douche wad I don't think Seattle was the best.

milkman · 07-28-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Why do all of the Japanese people run when Godzilla rises out of Tokyo Bay? It's not like they can get away from Godzilla. He's Godzilla, for crying out loud!

They aren't running away from Godzilla so much as they are running to Rich Scanlon for protection.

**007** · 07-28-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFire

"Its the end of the world as we know it...."

and I feel fine.

mcan · 07-29-2006, 02:31 AM

I think we still have a way better than average O-Line.

We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED.

We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle.

We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE.

We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s.

Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored...

Week 2: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 125 yards
Passing: 237 yards
Points: 23
(very respectable numbers and a win)

Week 3: Donkeys (L)
Rushing: 74 yards
Passing: 221
Points: 10
(Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times)

Week 4: Eagles (L)
Rushing: 144 yards
Passing: 221 yards
Points: 31
(By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays).

Week 9: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 114
Passing: 235
Points: 27
(By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been).

Week 10: Buffalo (L)
Rushing: 150 yards
Passing: 220 yards
Points: 3
(Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway).

Week 11: Texans (W)
Rushing: 226
Passing: 220
Points: 45
(Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie).

That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...

Logical · 07-29-2006, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Whatever douche wad I don't think Seattle was the best.

Then you are one of a very small number.

tk13 · 07-29-2006, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mcan

I think we still have a way better than average O-Line.

We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED.

We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle.

We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE.

We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s.

Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored...

Week 2: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 125 yards
Passing: 237 yards
Points: 23
(very respectable numbers and a win)

Week 3: Donkeys (L)
Rushing: 74 yards
Passing: 221
Points: 10
(Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times)

Week 4: Eagles (L)
Rushing: 144 yards
Passing: 221 yards
Points: 31
(By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays).

Week 9: Raiders (W)
Rushing: 114
Passing: 235
Points: 27
(By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been).

Week 10: Buffalo (L)
Rushing: 150 yards
Passing: 220 yards
Points: 3
(Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway).

Week 11: Texans (W)
Rushing: 226
Passing: 220
Points: 45
(Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie).

That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...

Roaf was huge in that Eagles game. That was the game where Tony G. only had 2 catches for 5 yards and everybody including Tony threw a fit, because we needed extra blockers to pick up the Eagles blitz packages. If I remember correctly, Troy Aikman wouldn't shut up about it on the FOX broadcast.

I think we have a better than average offensive line, but there was a significant drop off without Roaf in there. We really didn't play anybody with Roaf hurt... those were supposed to be the easy games. The three wins we got without him were over teams with a combined 10-38 record. And our only two losses to teams with losing records game when he was out, Buffalo and Philly. Plus Trent only had like a 78 QB rating, etc. Just not very efficient.

We certainly have to do better... Roaf's a HOF'er but we can find a LT that played better than Black did last year, maybe Black himself will play better. I think it can be done, just not sure who is going to step up and get us there though. That's the scary part.

ARROW2 · 07-29-2006, 04:16 AM

Mofos can't play forever. He would have missed some games this year too, maybe more than last year. Svitek and Turley are manning the position now, could be worse. Roaf was a bad man, but a title can be won without him, that has been proven..

**the Talking Can** · 07-29-2006, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

They aren't running away from Godzilla so much as they are running to Rich Scanlon for protection.

**alanm** · 07-29-2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

The same reason us Bronco fans freaked out when our O-Line started coming apart years ago. The O-Line is a team within the team. Having a truly superior O-Line depends on lots of variables and it's awesome to see it click. Losing an OT or a Center is huge. Losing a LT can ruin the O-Line altogether.

And you know what listo? Like Denver with RB's the Chiefs have a history of finding great Olinemen with lower rnd draftpicks and off other teams scrap heaps or molding one out of clay.

**alanm** · 07-29-2006, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Logical

My opinion is people had unrealistic expectations to begin with then let them get completely out of hand when we signed Ty Law. They have now had it all come crashing back to reality with the Roaf retirement and their expectations are laying scattered among broken dreams.

So all is right with your world Jim.

07-28-2006, 08:54 PM
Moooo Seeking Enlightenment... Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Springfield Casino cash: $10004900	Why is everyone freaking out over Roaf? Lets start off by saying I personally think he was the most important person on the Offense other than the Backfield (Gonzo included). I'm not debating his importance. That being said, why is everyone going nuts? Its not like freaking out and panicking is solving the problem. At this point its in the hands of the coaching staff. They have a MONTH AND A HALF to figure out who will be the most reasonable suitor, and consequently get a good system going. Everything I've seen says synchronization with the other members of the O-line and also the backfield is the most important aspect of the performance of a lineman. Whoever replaces him will have all that time to learn the subtleties of Waters, Green, LJ and the other linemen as well. Its not going to be like it was last year when the player was thrown in to an offense with players he wasn't used to working with, or an offense which is designed around a pro-bowl tackle. Now we have time to make the necessary changes to work with this accordingly. I'm not putting people down for freaking out. I just don't get it at all... It doesn't make sense so if someone can explain why you freak out (when it doesn't make the situation better), I would appreciate it. Moooo
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07-28-2006, 09:37 PM	#17
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1155873	Teams with lesser offensive lines have made it further than the Chiefs. Look at Pittsburgh. Seattle. San Diego. Indy.....I don't think any of them have or had as good of an O-Line as us.
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07-29-2006, 02:31 AM	#24
mcan Apr 13,1949 – Dec 15, 2011 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $9996085	I think we still have a way better than average O-Line. We have a better than average center, a ProBowl Guard, and a Hall of Fame Guard. 3/5ths of our line is STACKED. We have a potential pro-bowler with question marks in camp to play tackle, and a bevy of suitors to line up at the other spot. I think in the end we'll be at least AVERAGE at tackle. We have a guy named DUNN, who is essentially as good as any decent tackle lining up at TE. We also have one of the best offensive line coaches as our offensive coordinator. He's done nothing but churn out GREAT O-linemen since he got to KC back in the 90s. Last year when Roaf went down, we lost a lot of games, but here are our averages in those games, and our points scored... Week 2: Raiders (W) Rushing: 125 yards Passing: 237 yards Points: 23 (very respectable numbers and a win) Week 3: Donkeys (L) Rushing: 74 yards Passing: 221 Points: 10 (Denver scored 17 first quarter points, and we became one dimentional. We only attempted 22 runs, and threw the ball 44 times) Week 4: Eagles (L) Rushing: 144 yards Passing: 221 yards Points: 31 (By all rights, not having Roaf didn't cost us this game. We imploded after half time. We also threw 2 picks, lost 2 fumbles and our defense gave up HUGE plays). Week 9: Raiders (W) Rushing: 114 Passing: 235 Points: 27 (By the end of the game, our offense was as good as ever. We scored 3 TDs in our last 4 drives. Unfortunately our defense let the Faides score TDs on both of their last two possessions and the game was closer than it should have been). Week 10: Buffalo (L) Rushing: 150 yards Passing: 220 yards Points: 3 (Yuck. This is the game that everybody is afraid of. Trent was sacked 6 times and threw 3 BIG picks. We also missed two field goals and lost a fumble. We also couldn't convert a couple of 4th down tries late in the game. But we did manage to run for 150 yards, so I think we can chalk this one up to a bad day. It proves that even when we are out of cync, Larry can have a BIG day anyway). Week 11: Texans (W) Rushing: 226 Passing: 220 Points: 45 (Nobody remembers this game? Larry ran for over 200, and we marched up and down the field all day. Trent did not get sacked all day. We did throw one pick, but other than that, the day was flawless. A shining example of how this offense CAN work without Willie). That's it. Roaf is listed as the starter for the rest of the games, and that includes losses against: San Diego, Dallas, and NY Giants...
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07-29-2006, 04:16 AM	#27
ARROW2 MVP Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $9084329	Mofos can't play forever. He would have missed some games this year too, maybe more than last year. Svitek and Turley are manning the position now, could be worse. Roaf was a bad man, but a title can be won without him, that has been proven..
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