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**2112** · 09-02-2006, 09:43 AM

LIONS RELEASE ROGERS

The Detroit Lions have parted ways with receiver Charles Rogers, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2003 draft.

Rogers missed most of his first two seasons due to broken collar bones, and was ineffective in 2004, during which he was suspended four games for violation of the league's substance abuse policy. After the suspension, the team filed a grievance against Rogers for recovery of bonus money. The grievance is still pending.

Prior to the 2003 draft, there were reports that Rogers had generated a positive drug test due to a diluted urine sample. The news didn't deter the Lions and team president Matt Millen.

Other cuts include veteran running back Artose Pinner, linebacker James Davis, and rookie sixth-round CB Dee McCann.

chagrin · 09-02-2006, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

He's also spent the entire offseason learning our offense under Martz.

WRONG - he hasn't learned anything and that's why he is being cut. Charles Rogers is just another kid who would rather hang wit his boyz and smoke dope all day than actually try to live up to his potential. The offense we runs, or at least the Mike Martz Offense requires the WR's to have and use, their brains for good. Charles was lazy in college and he's been lazy in the NFL as well. His conditioning sucks, he's got a shitty work ethic and he is not going to0 do shit in the NFL, Hello Koren Robinson.

What this team is figuing out is that Caoch Steve wasn't the entire problem. Joey, gone - Charles, Gone. Those are just two of the same people Steve tried to get rid of while he was there. Dumb**** Millen just can't admit he is wrong, so he cans Steve and brings in a guy to do the dirty work he couldn't.

chagrin · 09-02-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

There may be some debate on how much he actually learned.

Apparently at least part of the problem is that Rogers isn't smart enough to pick the offense up. The article I read had somebody from the team basically saying that he's dumber than a bag of hammers.

Thank you

**2112** · 09-02-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

WRONG - he hasn't learned anytying and that's why he is being cut. Charles Rogers is just another kid who would rather hang wit his boyz and smoke dope all day than actually try to live up to his potential. The offense we runs, or at least the Mike Martz Offense requires the WR's to have and use, their brains for good. Charles was lazy in college and he's been lazy in the NFL as well. His conditioning sucks, he's got a shitty work ethic and he is not going to0 do shit in the NFL, Hello Koren Robinson.

It is worth giving him a shot though..the worst thing that happens is he gets cut..

I agree with the character end though..this guy needs a maturity protein drink immediately..

chagrin · 09-02-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

It is worth giving him a shot though..the worst thing that happens is he gets cut..

I agree with the character end though..this guy needs a maturity protein drink immediately..

I think that our WR's are underachieving,enough as it is without bring in a bad influence. I saw enough of this guy in college when I lived in ann Arbor, watching him play every week and hearing about his issues, I just don't want him on the Chiefs.

milkman · 09-02-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bill parcells

It is worth giving him a shot though..the worst thing that happens is he gets cut..

I agree with the character end though..this guy needs a maturity protein drink immediately..

And maybe his release is just the wake up call he needed.

Mecca · 09-02-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

WRONG - he hasn't learned anything and that's why he is being cut. Charles Rogers is just another kid who would rather hang wit his boyz and smoke dope all day than actually try to live up to his potential. The offense we runs, or at least the Mike Martz Offense requires the WR's to have and use, their brains for good. Charles was lazy in college and he's been lazy in the NFL as well. His conditioning sucks, he's got a shitty work ethic and he is not going to0 do shit in the NFL, Hello Koren Robinson.

What this team is figuing out is that Caoch Steve wasn't the entire problem. Joey, gone - Charles, Gone. Those are just two of the same people Steve tried to get rid of while he was there. Dumb**** Millen just can't admit he is wrong, so he cans Steve and brings in a guy to do the dirty work he couldn't.

I'll disagree with a few things you said.....if Charles Rogers was a lazy college player I doubt he'd have put up the mind boggling stats he did all while playing with no one else around him. Cmon he put up like 1500 yards and had what was it 18 straight games with a TD catch playin with f'n Jeff Smoker.

Koren Robinson has actually had productive years in the NFL.......he's an alcoholic, that's his problem.

Mecca · 09-02-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I think that our WR's are underachieving,enough as it is without bring in a bad influence. I saw enough of this guy in college when I lived in ann Arbor, watching him play every week and hearing about his issues, I just don't want him on the Chiefs.

Like I said if we had good WR's we could cherry pick fact is we don't, we're in a really bad spot if anyone gets hurt, we literally don't have another WR who can start.

Demonpenz · 09-02-2006, 11:48 AM

I think mike bennett was the exciting O signing of the year. Enough to sell the rest of the season tickets. No way carl gets this done unless there are some 2 packs left that are unsold

**2112** · 09-02-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I think that our WR's are underachieving,enough as it is without bring in a bad influence. I saw enough of this guy in college when I lived in ann Arbor, watching him play every week and hearing about his issues, I just don't want him on the Chiefs.

you are right!!!

herm would be the wrong coach for him..

he would have to land in new england/dallas to turn it around..

he would need a no nonsense proven winning coach to see the light..

jspchief · 09-02-2006, 11:57 AM

My opinion is that it depends on how many WRs we carry on the roster.

If we carry 5, I'd consider Rogers over Hannon. But if we only carry 4, I don't want to expose Webb to waivers.

The other problem is that we don't really use a 4 WR set because Gonzo is always our 4th WR. So wee need our backup WRs to be STs contributors, and there's no way that Rogers would be useful on STs.

Mecca · 09-02-2006, 11:59 AM

I'm sure teams will clammer to add Jeff Webb......he made a few nice catches in the last preseason game before that he looked like complete ass.

jspchief · 09-02-2006, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm sure teams will clammer to add Jeff Webb......he made a few nice catches in the last preseason game before that he looked like complete ass.

You may be right. Maybe no one will want him. But that's what we thought with Lilja and he's gone now.

I just don't have a lot of faith in Rogers' ability to straighten his act up, and I don't think he's worth the risk to lose our #4 guy.

Mecca · 09-02-2006, 12:15 PM

Well that's where we differ.....I think Rogers is much more talented with still a much greater upside. When you have the piss poor WR situation the Chiefs have had since I've been alive basically and you have a chance to add a guy who was the #2 overall pick and would have gone top 5 even if the Lions hadn't picked him, and you can add him for peanuts you should probably take that chance.

tk13 · 09-02-2006, 12:22 PM

I'd be interested in seeing the Chiefs work him out. See what Charlie Joiner and company thinks. If he does seem to have a bad attitude or slow at picking things up, don't sign him, no big loss. He probably would come cheap, that makes it a lot more attractive than trading draft picks for someone like Stallworth. If he looks terrible, don't sign him. I wouldn't mind see us get someone who can at least mix it up with Dante for the 3rd WR spot. Maybe Webb can be that guy. I'm not really bothered either way about it.

Mecca · 09-02-2006, 12:24 PM

All I know is if Eddie Kennison or Samie Parker gets hurt we are completely screwed.

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jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	My opinion is that it depends on how many WRs we carry on the roster. If we carry 5, I'd consider Rogers over Hannon. But if we only carry 4, I don't want to expose Webb to waivers. The other problem is that we don't really use a 4 WR set because Gonzo is always our 4th WR. So wee need our backup WRs to be STs contributors, and there's no way that Rogers would be useful on STs. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-762950	Well that's where we differ.....I think Rogers is much more talented with still a much greater upside. When you have the piss poor WR situation the Chiefs have had since I've been alive basically and you have a chance to add a guy who was the #2 overall pick and would have gone top 5 even if the Lions hadn't picked him, and you can add him for peanuts you should probably take that chance.
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1957500	I'd be interested in seeing the Chiefs work him out. See what Charlie Joiner and company thinks. If he does seem to have a bad attitude or slow at picking things up, don't sign him, no big loss. He probably would come cheap, that makes it a lot more attractive than trading draft picks for someone like Stallworth. If he looks terrible, don't sign him. I wouldn't mind see us get someone who can at least mix it up with Dante for the 3rd WR spot. Maybe Webb can be that guy. I'm not really bothered either way about it.
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