Do you prefer the "old"/Vermeil style or the "new"/Herm style of play?

[B_Ambuehl]

Herm is just an automaton. There are at least 5 or 6 other coaches in the NFL who coach things the same way he does. Play a 4-3, run a cover 2, run the football...blah blah blah....With that sort've approach you're only gonna be as good as what your draft picks turn out to be because everybody else is doing the exact same thing, running the exact same schemes, and there's only so much money to go around to spend on players....and this team can't draft worth a damn so they're always gonna be behind the 8-ball doing the same thing everybody else does.

IMO a really good coach gives you an advantage due to his schemes....the scheme by itself elevates the level of talent going into it.

Mike Shanahan and his zone blocking offense
Dick Lebeau and his zone blitzing 3-4
The original 49ers west coast offense
Dick Vermeil's greatest show on turf
The original Tampa 2


Those are examples of schemes that outproduce their level of talent.

Vermeil's scheme gave this team an unfair advantage just like it did with the Rams. Martz had the same problem with the defense when he took over and he was smart enough to bring in Lovie Smith back when that defense wasn't being run by everyone in the NFL...and it was effective....they went to another superbowl. That's all that Vermeil needed to do really but someone ****ed up when they chose Gun instead of someone that would bring in a defense that would limit big plays.

[Chiefnj]

I prefer Vermeil's "style". I don't think Vermeil's style was to assemble an offense to carry the defense. When he won the Super Bowl with the Rams he had a top 10 offense and defense. I think Vermeil wanted a defense like he had in St. Louis. He and his "style" failed in KC because he surrounded himself with poor DC's and poor assistant coaches and didn't fire those who weren't getting the job done.

I think Herm's "style" is a play not to lose style. I think Herm is complacent with that type of game.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I prefer Vermeil's "style". I don't think Vermeil's style was to assemble an offense to carry the defense. When he won the Super Bowl with the Rams he had a top 10 offense and defense. I think Vermeil wanted a defense like he had in St. Louis. He and his "style" failed in KC because he surrounded himself with poor DC's and poor assistant coaches and didn't fire those who weren't getting the job done.

I think Herm's "style" is a play not to lose style. I think Herm is complacent with that type of game.

DV also had alot more talent overall to work with in STL than in KC. YOu have to remember that prior to 1999, the Rams were awful almost every season from 91-98. They were always picking in the top 10.


The Chiefs on the other hand have never been truly awful in the CP era. He always has done "just enough" to get by and keep the fanbase excited, but not enough to get over the hump.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl

Vermeil's scheme gave this team an unfair advantage just like it did with the Rams. Martz had the same problem with the defense when he took over and he was smart enough to bring in Lovie Smith back when that defense wasn't being run by everyone in the NFL...and it was effective....they went to another superbowl. That's all that Vermeil needed to do really but someone ****ed up when they chose Gun instead of someone that would bring in a defense that would limit big plays.

Let me guess.

"Someone" is Carl Peterson, right?

How soon we forget that if Peterson hadn't FORCED Vermeil's hand and brought in Gunther, Dickie would have retained Greg Robinson...