All I really desire is freedom FROM religion. - No offense has been intended - Page 2

Logical · 12-12-2006, 02:48 AM

I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.

stevieray · 12-12-2006, 08:05 AM

Everyone has freedom from religion...or even Christ himself.

That's why it's called faith.

Anyone here think they can show or prove how much they love their kids?

**Dave Lane** · 12-12-2006, 08:08 AM

I do think if there really is a creator its not one man has made up.

Dave

PastorMikH · 12-12-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan

I just don't like 90% of church people, at least the ones I've encountered. they are self-centered, judgemental and very inconsiderate people......

Says the guy that chooses to give good or bad service to the people he serves food to by what they are wearing when they walk in and sit down at his table. ("If you are wearing a cowboy hat and boots I'm spitting in your food 'cause I know you won't tip me later")

PastorMikH · 12-12-2006, 08:19 AM

FWIW Jim, I don't think I've ever felt offended at anything I've read from you. I have pretty much gathered where you stand based on your posts, but to me you've at least presented yourself in a respectful manner (at least in comparison to some of the other posters.

)

I also hope I haven't come accross to you in any negative way as you indicated some have.

ZepSinger · 12-12-2006, 08:49 AM

Jim- from what comments I've gathered from you(none of which I would call hateful or opinionated), I'd call you a seeker.. someone open to the idea of a power higher than us, but quite skeptical all the same.

Far from being offended, my church is geared towards people just like you. We welcome those who don't know what to believe, if anything. True Christians are not judgmental- in fact we're loaded with the same problems and hangups as anyone, with no room or right to judge anyone. Those who do can count hypocrisy amongst their own faults.

Z

jspchief · 12-12-2006, 08:54 AM

I don't like religious people.

But that's mostly because I live in a town with a bible college and I can bank on them coming to my house to push it on me about 6 times per year.

InChiefsHeaven · 12-12-2006, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I don't know, it's just that I hear that garbage all the time, it's the age old argument for someone who gets a bad taste from some over-zealous of maybe misguided Christian.

It's almost like a chapter in the Atheist Debator's Handbook (which I owned at one point in my life actually) the crux of their argument is "well, you can't see Jesus, how do you know he's there...you can't prove it..."

same ole same ole. Or they meet 15 "church people" of the same nature, or a church girl denies them a date, and all of the sudden all "church people" or Christians are jerks - we are all hypocrites in some ways.

Seconded. REP.

**Saulbadguy** · 12-12-2006, 09:01 AM

I don't mind religion, or religious people. You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. I don't really give a shit, it has no bearing on my life whatsoever.

I don't even think all the bullshit that surround this time of year is religious in nature. Do you think Christmas started November 1st 200 years ago?

Frazod · 12-12-2006, 09:02 AM

Sounds like a great place for my religion=masturbation theory.

Religion is like masturbation. If it makes you happy, by all means, partake. But keep it to yourself, and spare me the details. And try not to get any on me.

JonesCrusher · 12-12-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Says the guy that chooses to give good or bad service to the people he serves food to by what they are wearing when they walk in and sit down at his table. ("If you are wearing a cowboy hat and boots I'm spitting in your food 'cause I know you won't tip me later")

The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describe

JazzzLovr · 12-12-2006, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JonesCrusher

The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describe

This is why:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=48814

It starts with post #9 and just goes downhill from there. It seems a little silly to me to see him complaining that certain people are judgmental.

JonesCrusher · 12-12-2006, 09:29 AM

2003, talk about a memory, I just hate people with memory's like that.

Sorry PastorMikH I had no idea that you were referring to something he said 3 years ago.

I guess I have a lot of reading to do.

PastorMikH · 12-12-2006, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JonesCrusher

The guy made a comment about his dealings with people of faith, he said nothing about hate, why would you equate that to spitting in someone's food. You are confusing stereotyping with malicious intent. We all stereotype to one degree or another we just need to refrain from the hate you describe

I have not read such a statement from Logical, it's a big Planet and may have occured someplace I have not read. Which thread was it on?

As for KCChiefsman, my response to him has to do with the his making a generalization based on a few people he actualy has encountered. The refference to him spitting in food and providing poor service goes back to the same types of generalizations he's made towards other people in the past. He himself has bragged on the Planet how he would intentionally provide poor service to people based on their appearance when he was employed at a resturaunt in KS.

PastorMikH · 12-12-2006, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JonesCrusher

2003, talk about a memory, I just hate people with memory's like that.

Sorry PastorMikH I had no idea that you were referring to something he said 3 years ago.

I guess I have a lot of reading to do.

You replied while I was typing. Jazzz's comments about him of all people reffering to people being critical of others is exactly what I was making refference to.

Thanks for the thread Jazzz, I really didn't feel like looking for it.

We should really have another forum designated "Required Reading Threads" so newer people can get up to speed quicker.

JazzzLovr · 12-12-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

You replied while I was typing. Jazzz's comments about him of all people reffering to people being critical of others is exactly what I was making refference to.

Thanks for the thread Jazzz, I really didn't feel like looking for it.

It's in the Hall of Classics, so it didn't take very long to find.

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

We should really have another forum designated "Required Reading Threads" so newer people can get up to speed quicker.

12-12-2006, 02:48 AM
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	All I really desire is freedom FROM religion. - No offense has been intended I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians. I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from? So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well. This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.
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12-12-2006, 08:19 AM	#19
PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9905087	FWIW Jim, I don't think I've ever felt offended at anything I've read from you. I have pretty much gathered where you stand based on your posts, but to me you've at least presented yourself in a respectful manner (at least in comparison to some of the other posters.) I also hope I haven't come accross to you in any negative way as you indicated some have. __________________
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12-12-2006, 08:49 AM	#20
ZepSinger Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10004900	Jim- from what comments I've gathered from you(none of which I would call hateful or opinionated), I'd call you a seeker.. someone open to the idea of a power higher than us, but quite skeptical all the same. Far from being offended, my church is geared towards people just like you. We welcome those who don't know what to believe, if anything. True Christians are not judgmental- in fact we're loaded with the same problems and hangups as anyone, with no room or right to judge anyone. Those who do can count hypocrisy amongst their own faults. Z __________________ test
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12-12-2006, 08:54 AM	#21
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	I don't like religious people. But that's mostly because I live in a town with a bible college and I can bank on them coming to my house to push it on me about 6 times per year. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
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12-12-2006, 09:01 AM	#23
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	I don't mind religion, or religious people. You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. I don't really give a shit, it has no bearing on my life whatsoever. I don't even think all the bullshit that surround this time of year is religious in nature. Do you think Christmas started November 1st 200 years ago?
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12-12-2006, 09:02 AM	#24
Frazod Did you hear what I said? Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-746615	Sounds like a great place for my religion=masturbation theory. Religion is like masturbation. If it makes you happy, by all means, partake. But keep it to yourself, and spare me the details. And try not to get any on me.
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12-12-2006, 09:29 AM	#27
JonesCrusher Knock Knock Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Southeast Wisconsin Casino cash: $10006550	2003, talk about a memory, I just hate people with memory's like that. Sorry PastorMikH I had no idea that you were referring to something he said 3 years ago. I guess I have a lot of reading to do.
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