All I really desire is freedom FROM religion. - No offense has been intended

Chieficus · 12-12-2006, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Yea, and maybe if my barking dog wakes my napping daughter again I'll just let him out to imbed the fear of god deeply into you, and jesus can sew your ass up at the pearly gates.

If it works for you...

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Your statement shows a clear disregard for my peace, time, and privacy. That's precisely why I harbor ill will towards you people.

If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-12-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

If it works for you...

If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

BIG_DADDY · 12-12-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullsh*t. It's called soliciting and in many states, counties and cities it's illegal. I don't care if your pushing religion or selling "candy for the homeless", I don't want to be bothered, period.

Your lack of respect is what angers others who don't share your beliefs.

This is what cracks me up about this attitude in general. I call senior executives of high technology companies. Those are our clients. Occasionally you get somebody with this attitude who blasts you for calling and wasting their time. I always like to ask them how they market their product? Almost all successful companies have to invade someone's space in order to sell. Most of the companies I am calling on have extremely aggressive marketing and sales divisions. Whether that's commmercials, flyers, direct mail, phone calls or knocking on somebody's door. People who are not in sales just don't get it. If it wasn't for the sales department most people who are so offended wouldn't have their stinking jobs. There certainly wouldn't be an economy like we currently have. Sales is the most important part of any business in that it creates revenue. The rest of you all just come in on the other end of the balance sheet. Someone comes to the door I don't want to talk to the dog has usually has run them off by the time I get there. If they are still there I just don't open the door. Why this is such a big deal is beyond me.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-12-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

This is what cracks me up about this attitude in general. I call senior executives of high technology companies. Those are our clients. Occasionally you get somebody with this attitude who blasts you for calling and wasting their time. I always like to ask them how they market their product? Almost all successful companies have to invade someone's space in order to sell. Most of the companies I am calling on have extremely aggressive marketing and sales divisions. Whether that's commmercials, flyers, direct mail, phone calls or knocking on somebody's door. People who are not in sales just don't get it. If it wasn't for the sales department most people who are so offended wouldn't have their stinking jobs. There certainly wouldn't be an economy like we currently have. Sales is the most important part of any business in that it creates revenue. The rest of you all just come in on the other end of the balance sheet. Someone comes to the door I don't want to talk to the dog has usually has run them off by the time I get there. If they are still there I just don't open the door. Why this is such a big deal is beyond me.

Well if sales people are allowed to personally invade my space and home, I think there's a problem. What's the use of owning a home then? Doesn't privacy mean anything to anyone these days?

Don't people get bombarded with advertising enough? I get a sh*t ton of meaningless and worthless advertising in my mailbox everyday. I get spammed by companies selling products in which I am not interested and I'm literally overloaded with commercials when watching live sporting events (I Tivo anything else that I would normally watch on TV. Now you're going to tell me that our *economy* wouldn't be the same without endless advertising and sales people? I call Bullsh*t again.

If anything, an unsolicited salesman bothering me is NEVER going to get my business. Ever. And since when is Religion considered a business? Oh yeah, that's right. Right about 330 AD when the Non-Christian Roman Emperor decreed that everyone within the Empire is now a Christian. Politics and sales, pure and simple.

BucEyedPea · 12-12-2006, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well if sales people are allowed to personally invade my space and home, I think there's a problem. What's the use of owning a home then? Doesn't privacy mean anything to anyone these days?

I think the solution is simple. If its your property put a "No Trespassing" sign up. Maybe add a warning if they do. Those without such signs will be fair game.

I always told my daughter when she was 5&6 years old in her Brownie uniform selling cookies that if someone said "no" it was okay...because some will say "yes". Other than that I hid in the bushes while she knocked on each door. I can't do it at all.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-12-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

I think the solution is simple. If its your property put a "No Trespassing" sign up. Maybe add a warning if they do. Those without such signs will be fair game.

I always told my daughter when she was 5&6 years old in her Brownie uniform selling cookies that if someone said "no" it was okay...because some will say "yes". Other than that I hid in the bushes while she knocked on each door. I can't do it at all.

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

Calcountry · 12-12-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

Nope, my buddy has one of those in Westwood, almost every single family home in the area are worth a million these days.

BucEyedPea · 12-12-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

That's just the point it isn't implied to everyone. Ever meet people who can't take a polite hint and persist...well some need more. My community is a deed restricted one, with a no solicitation sign at the front entrance...but they still come in, all kinds. I just tell 'em at the door ( unless it's kids selling for bona fide groups like scouts). They lie and say they didn't know though.

Other than that I agree with BD about cold calls...but to biznesses.
I actually don't mind gettin' those.

Logical · 12-13-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

It doesn't but I would love to hear a description of it sometime. I like to see the relative values of homes based on areas people live. Start a thread on it sometime.

BIG_DADDY · 12-12-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Now you're going to tell me that our *economy* wouldn't be the same without endless advertising and sales people? I call Bullsh*t again.

Yes that's what I'm telling you. If it didn't work compnaies wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. What do you do for a living?

BTW the no trespassing sign is really simple. Bottom line is you will spend the rest of your life getting bombarded with advertising and sales. It's just the way it is unless you want to move to shack in the mountains and have no TV or radio. You would still get mailers.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-12-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Yes that's what I'm telling you. If it didn't work compnaies wouldn't do it. It's really that simple. What do you do for a living?

BTW the no trespassing sign is really simple. Bottom line is you will spend the rest of your life getting bombarded with advertising and sales. It's just the way it is unless you want to move to shack in the mountains and have not TV or radio. YOu would still get mailers.

Okay, I shouldn't have included Advertising in my response. That was an error on my part. But Cold Sales Calls? Does that work on anyone?

BIG_DADDY · 12-12-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Okay, I shouldn't have included Advertising in my response. That was an error on my part. But Cold Sales Calls? Does that work on anyone?

You're kidding right? I built a whole company around it. Senior executives of high technology companies. They appreciate it too after all most of the software companies do the vast majority of their business through cold calls and a sales force. What about Real Estate? Top Real Estate agents do a ton of cold calls. I can't believe you said that. WHat do you do for a living again?

Logical · 12-13-2006, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

If it works for you...

If you get that upset over someone knocking on your door, then I'd say your ill will runs a little deeper than concern for your peace, time, and privacy...

I always try to ignore people who call at the door not in FedEx or UPS/Post office uniforms (well except officials fire police etc) and just don't even open the door. If you persist you better be willing to pay the price because I tried to ignore you.