All I really desire is freedom FROM religion. - No offense has been intended

[Logical]

I think some here misunderstand my intent as being a hater of people who are believers. If you have been around a long time you would have seen me defend many different religious types from the bigotry of so called Christians.

I personally believe there is a creator(s) but I also suffer from the illogical nature of the idea where did they come from?

So being as we are approaching a religious season for most religions I select this time to apologize for any hurt I may have caused any of the posters on this BB who mean well.

This is a thread not intended to stir the shit so hopefully it can stay in the Lounge.

[Jenson71]

Originally Posted by slappyhappy

God says "thou shall not kill" right? What has this to say for war? More wars have been started because of religious beliefs then any other political driven war. Muslims are killing Muslims in Iraq. The Catholic Crusades murdered millions.

It's not because of the beliefs. It's because people are capable of doing bad things. And I agree that there have been some people that have had power in these religions that are not correctly following these beliefs.

And I do believe in Catholism, do you think I'm close-minded? No, you are close minded if you want to be, open if you want to be.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, good for you. I don't appreciate cold calls in any way, shape or form. As for what I do for a living, it's been well documented here that I worked for Universal & Paramount/Viacom for 10 years. My wife and I also have an extremely successful internet business that does not include cold calling. As for my current occupation, I prefer to decline *advertising* that at present.

But let me get this straight: You equate cold calls for real estate and software the same as organized religion?

That's cool I'm not trying to be a dick. Universal & Paramount/Viacom does a ton of advertising BTW. Marketing is marketing it all takes up your time irregardless of how it is done. I have found in the past that people who are usually involved in operations as opposed to sales are usually the people who like sales people the least. They think they are over paid and arrogant. Bottom line is without those people they don't have a job. Bottom line is without sales and marketing the machine shuts down. I don't like people banging on my door either but I just don't answer it if I don't want to. Sometimes I find it fun to mess with the Jehova Witnesses. Sometimes I want to help like supporting the local highschool football team. Most of the time like I said though the dog has already scared them off by the time I get there. I get sales calls at work all the time, they don't bother me at all. Sales is a part of life I'm not going to let it get to me.

[HonestChieffan]

there is no word :irregardless.

the word is regardless

[slappyhappy]

Originally Posted by Jenson71

It's not because of the beliefs. It's because people are capable of doing bad things. And I agree that there have been some people that have had power in these religions that are not correctly following these beliefs.

And I do believe in Catholism, do you think I'm close-minded? No, you are close minded if you want to be, open if you want to be.

I guess this is what strays me away from organized religion is because I don't believe everything I read.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Nope, my buddy has one of those in Westwood, almost every single family home in the area are worth a million these days.

Yup! Same is true in the greater Boston area. My old one, is now worth at least a mil!

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

That's cool I'm not trying to be a dick. Universal & Paramount/Viacom does a ton of advertising BTW. Marketing is marketing it all takes up your time irregardless of how it is done. I have found in the past that people who are usually involved in operations as opposed to sales are usually the people who like sales people the least. They think they are over paid and arrogant. Bottom line is without those people they don't have a job. Bottom line is without sales and marketing the machine shuts down. I don't like people banging on my door either but I just don't answer it if I don't want to. Sometimes I find it fun to mess with the Jehova Witnesses. Sometimes I want to help like supporting the local highschool football team. Most of the time like I said though the dog has already scared them off by the time I get there. I get sales calls at work all the time, they don't bother me at all. Sales is a part of life I'm not going to let it get to me.

I know you weren't trying to be a dick. It's all good. And I've got two yellow labs but unfortunately in this regard, they don't scare anyone. Unless someone is afraid to get licked to death!

I also understand that music, television shows and movies are just *fillers* for advertisers. Everything these days is about *Content* to advertise and sell products. When I read about people complaining about the state of the entertainment business and how "music, movies and television aren't as good as it used to be", I'm often in agreement. But the train rolls on because it's all funded by advertising.

Since sales is a part of your life, you're probably a little more tolerant of cold calls and advertising because it's your livelihood (and justifiably so). Just as Rexjake is more tolerant of unions, I'm adverse to illegal downloading, and so on throughout the Chiefsplanet community, we all accept things are are nearer and dearer to our hearts.

Continued success with your business!

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by frazod

It's not like I'd automatically smear poo in your face and slam the door, especially if you're 6'1" with tatoos. I'm not quite as much of a jackass in person as I am here, and one of the things that was effectively beat into me as a child was being courteous to strangers. Salespeople generally get a very firm (but somewhat polite) NOT INTERESTED and the door. I'd likely listen to your pitch, thank you for the invitation and politely decline.

It's when people don't go away after this that the problems start.

But still, I'd just prefer to be left the hell alone. I know where the churches are; if I feel compelled to get right with the Lord, I don't need directions.

Luckily, we don't get alot of door-to-door people in my neighborhood. I'm in a condo community on the fringe of Naperville, effectively cut off from the main part of the town and certainly looked down upon by the well-to-do snobs who live in the big houses, who probably don't want me in their churches in the first place.

Your own living room would do fine for the Lord.

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great, no offense but I don't know why I need to put up a No Trespassing sign in front of my $1.8 million dollar home. No trespassing should be IMPLIED.

(I apologize if the value of my home offends anyone)

That's just the point it isn't implied to everyone. Ever meet people who can't take a polite hint and persist...well some need more. My community is a deed restricted one, with a no solicitation sign at the front entrance...but they still come in, all kinds. I just tell 'em at the door ( unless it's kids selling for bona fide groups like scouts). They lie and say they didn't know though.

Other than that I agree with BD about cold calls...but to biznesses.
I actually don't mind gettin' those.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

That's just the point it isn't implied to everyone. Ever meet people who can't take a polite hint and persist...well some need more. My community is a deed restricted one, with a no solicitation sign at the front entrance...but they still come in, all kinds. I just tell 'em at the door ( unless it's kids selling for bona fide groups like scouts). They lie and say they didn't know though.

Other than that I agree with BD about cold calls...but to biznesses.
I actually don't mind gettin' those.

Los Angeles, for the most part, doesn't consist of gated communities. That's why there are always reports of celebrity stalkers, paparazzi nonsense and the like because there's basically unrestricted access everywhere. We can't just put up a sign to the entrance because there is no single entrance. And I really don't want to put up some ugly sign on the gated entrance to my house, which really wouldn't work anyway because I have a call box directly wired to my phone system for visitors. So it's like a double-whammy for me (phone call AND someone in front of my house).

People should have more respect. That's all I'm sayin'.

[KCChiefsMan]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

I have not read such a statement from Logical, it's a big Planet and may have occured someplace I have not read. Which thread was it on?


As for KCChiefsman, my response to him has to do with the his making a generalization based on a few people he actualy has encountered. The refference to him spitting in food and providing poor service goes back to the same types of generalizations he's made towards other people in the past. He himself has bragged on the Planet how he would intentionally provide poor service to people based on their appearance when he was employed at a resturaunt in KS.

you are correct about that. When I was in college and had to wait tables to pay for it all, I did get extremely frustrated with people who tipped 0-5% when I gave them great service, even half of them mentioned that everything was great themselves and left a buck on a $50 tab. It was a frustrating time, but after a while I just provided bad service to those I had waited on before and I remembered what they tipped, if anything. Because it was stupid on my part to stereotype people based on appearance.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Los Angeles, for the most part, doesn't consist of gated communities. That's why there are always reports of celebrity stalkers, paparazzi nonsense and the like because there's basically unrestricted access everywhere. We can't just put up a sign to the entrance because there is no single entrance. And I really don't want to put up some ugly sign on the gated entrance to my house, which really wouldn't work anyway because I have a call box directly wired to my phone system for visitors. So it's like a double-whammy for me (phone call AND someone in front of my house).

People should have more respect. That's all I'm sayin'.

Paint an upside down pentagram on your front door in red paint.

[BIG_DADDY]

Where did that hardcore mofo JSP run off to?

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

Your own living room would do fine for the Lord.

Yes, I know. Personally, I prefer to be outside in an area of great natural beauty. The Black Hills are my favorite church.

[Calcountry]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Where did that hardcore mofo JSP run off to?

[listopencil]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

there is no word :irregardless.

the word is regardless

It's as much a word as any other nonstandard American English one.