JoPo: Carl has us all fooled

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

If that was the case it the Chiefs would of never hired Herm Edwards. It is about the playoffs. Carl is only worried about doing just as much as he needs to, to get the Chiefs to the playoffs. One and done? He dont care. As long as he can raise parking, concessions and tickets the following year, he is happy and the Chiefs succeed.

Herm was a safe hire, not risky and will keep the team at or barely above .500 and a shot at the playoffs.

No team in their right mind would ever hire the fraud of a coach that Herm is if they were serious about a superbowl Period!

While I see what you're saying, Carl's not WRONG.

When your team hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade, it's NOT ABOUT SUPERBOWLS. It's about making the playoffs.

**Rausch** · 12-20-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

While I see what you're saying, Carl's not WRONG.

When your team hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade, it's NOT ABOUT SUPERBOWLS. It's about making the playoffs.

I'd prefer that our next HC have some super bowl experience.

At least you know he CAN do it...

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I'd prefer that our next HC have some super bowl experience.

At least you know he CAN do it...

I thought the same thing when we brought in Vermeil. I honestly don't care anymore.

I want them to bring in somebody COMPLETELY NEW. Doesn't matter if they have previous SB experience, just make sure they've never been affiliated with the Kansas City Chiefs at any point in their existence.

This applies equally to the HC AND the GM.

**ptlyon** · 12-20-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I thought the same thing when we brought in Vermeil. I honestly don't care anymore.

I want them to bring in somebody COMPLETELY NEW. Doesn't matter if they have previous SB experience, just make sure they've never been affiliated with the Kansas City Chiefs at any point in their existence.

This applies equally to the HC AND the GM.

Two words: Matt Millen

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I thought the same thing when we brought in Vermeil. I honestly don't care anymore.

I want them to bring in somebody COMPLETELY NEW. Doesn't matter if they have previous SB experience, just make sure they've never been affiliated with the Kansas City Chiefs at any point in their existence.

This applies equally to the HC AND the GM.

You hit the nail on the head.

If there is ever an organization that needs a giant plunger to unclog, it is the Chiefs.

I want the Chiefs to have new life just as the rest of us do. And the only way that can happen is to ditch the King Carl family tree.

Believe me, the Hiring of Herm hurt me just as much as it did the rest of us.

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

While I see what you're saying, Carl's not WRONG.

When your team hasn't won a playoff game in over a decade, it's NOT ABOUT SUPERBOWLS. It's about making the playoffs.

Just like the 1990's Huh,

I understand you have to make the playoffs first Hitsmaqe, but I also understand that what Carl and the fans consider success are two different things.

We consider Championship Game and Superbowls appearances a success, Carl considers .500 or better and a appearance in the playoffs as a success.

Raising parking, concessions and tickets are more successful than pushing through to one superbowl appearance or vistory and have a ton of salary problems or free agent problems, in the eyes of Carl Peterson. This is kind of like Electricity, always goes through the path of least resistance. Carl is that way, wants the easy way out to make the most money for the Chiefs.

That is why Herm was a safe hire for Carl. There will be no demands for players or trades. There wont be any conflict between the coaches and GM, all Herm has to do is keep this team around the 8-8 thru 10-6 mark with the players Carl gives him. Keep fans hopes alive and keep them coming out to Arrowhead by the 10's of thousands. That is a success for the Kansas City Chiefs organization.

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Just like the 1990's Huh,

I understand you have to make the playoffs first Hitsmaqe, but I also understand that what Carl and the fans consider success are two different things.

We consider Championship Game and Superbowls appearances a success, Carl considers .500 or better and a appearance in the playoffs as a success.

Raising parking, concessions and tickets are more successful than pushing through to one superbowl appearance or vistory and have a ton of salary problems or free agent problems, in the eyes of Carl Peterson. This is kind of like Electricity, always goes through the path of least resistance. Carl is that way, wants the easy way out to make the most money for the Chiefs.

That is why Herm was a safe hire for Carl. There will be no demands for players or trades. There wont be any conflict between the coaches and GM, all Herm has to do is keep this team around the 8-8 thru 10-6 mark with the players Carl gives him. Keep fans hopes alive and keep them coming out to Arrowhead by the 10's of thousands. That is a success for the Kansas City Chiefs organization.

Obviously, the fans DON'T consider Championship Games and Super Bowls as "success".

And if you think for one second that Carl doesn't want to win a Super Bowl, you've drank too much Drain-o.

Winning a Super Bowl will NEVER cause a franchise to lose money. EVER.

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Obviously, the fans DON'T consider Championship Games and Super Bowls as "success".

And if you think for one second that Carl doesn't want to win a Super Bowl, you've drank too much Drain-o.

Winning a Super Bowl will NEVER cause a franchise to lose money. EVER.

I dont drink Drain-o, I stick with Jim Beam, thanks for the offer though.

I agree. Winning the superbowl would never cause a organization to lose money. If you think that you need to back away from the crack pipe.

But do you realize the risk vs reward. I feel that is what Carl looks at. The risk is to great financially to go and make winning a superbowl a goal. I have no doubt that he wants to win the superbowl, but he will have to win it on his terms without the risk of spending or going out on the preverbal limb to get that championship.

Carl looks at the bottom line and the future of the organization's financial state or salary cap. Carl is not going to sell out the Chiefs, for a chance at superbowl immortality...

So we can love him for that or hate him for it, but that is the way it is and probably why his is going to retire a very weatlhy man thanks to all the loyal KC fans.

htismaqe · 12-20-2006, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I dont drink Drain-o, I stick with Jim Beam, thanks for the offer though.

I agree. Winning the superbowl would never cause a organization to lose money. If you think that you need to back away from the crack pipe.

But do you realize the risk vs reward. I feel that is what Carl looks at. The risk is to great financially to go and make winning a superbowl a goal. I have no doubt that he wants to win the superbowl, but he will have to win it on his terms without the risk of spending or going out on the preverbal limb to get that championship.

Carl looks at the bottom line and the future of the organization's financial state or salary cap. Carl is not going to sell out the Chiefs, for a chance at superbowl immortality...

So we can love him for that or hate him for it, but that is the way it is and probably why his is going to retire a very weatlhy man thanks to all the loyal KC fans.

How many recent Super Bowl teams have COMPLETELY mortgaged their future to win one - Tampa? Baltimore?

The idea that there's some kind of huge financial risk in building a Super Bowl team is ridiculous.

Carl ALREADY HAS, many times in the past, gone out on the proverbial limb. He's signed Chester McGlockton, Joe Montana, and on and on and on. The idea that he won't spend money is false.

It's not that he won't spend money, it's that he spends it on the WRONG PEOPLE. From Carlton Gray to Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon to Dan Williams, Carl has willing thrown MILLIONS of dollars at guys that just aren't very good.

**dirk digler** · 12-20-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Carl ALREADY HAS, many times in the past, gone out on the proverbial limb. He's signed Chester McGlockton, Joe Montana, and on and on and on. The idea that he won't spend money is false.

It's not that he won't spend money, it's that he spends it on the WRONG PEOPLE. From Carlton Gray to Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon to Dan Williams, Carl has willing thrown MILLIONS of dollars at guys that just aren't very good.

Yep 100% agree.

Reerun_KC · 12-20-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

How many recent Super Bowl teams have COMPLETELY mortgaged their future to win one - Tampa? Baltimore?

The idea that there's some kind of huge financial risk in building a Super Bowl team is ridiculous.

Carl ALREADY HAS, many times in the past, gone out on the proverbial limb. He's signed Chester McGlockton, Joe Montana, and on and on and on. The idea that he won't spend money is false.

It's not that he won't spend money, it's that he spends it on the WRONG PEOPLE. From Carlton Gray to Vonnie Holliday, Dexter McCleon to Dan Williams, Carl has willing thrown MILLIONS of dollars at guys that just aren't very good.

I see what you are saying.

**dirk digler** · 12-20-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

I see what you are saying.

And add to the fact the drafts of late haven't been very good so we are pretty much screwed.

MichaelH · 12-20-2006, 11:04 AM

The article is dead on.

Will Carl read it and will it make him reconsider his ways? Will the 2007 Chiefs take a different path?

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MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9192006	The article is dead on. Will Carl read it and will it make him reconsider his ways? Will the 2007 Chiefs take a different path?
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