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[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

Sorry if I don't feel "bad" for the young fella.....while I agree the punishment doesn't fit the crime, there are way too many responses acting like his behavior is acceptable and just a by-product of juvenile delinquency.

mmaddog
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the punishment doesn't fit the crime????

the CRIME????

I think we have a different definition of this.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by crazycoffey

the punishment doesn't fit the crime????

the CRIME????

I think we have a different definition of this.

"Punishment fit the crime" was just a saying....you can have your own opinion of whether a crime was committed or not.

BTW, there was a crime committed there.....I'll let you figure out what it was. (Hint:It isn't that this kid is in prison)

mmaddog
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[Pants]

Originally Posted by mmaddog

"Punishment fit the crime" was just a saying....you can have your own opinion of whether a crime was committed or not.

BTW, there was a crime committed there.....I'll let you figure out what it was. (Hint:It isn't that this kid is in prison)

mmaddog
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Nowhere in the article does it say he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol. If you're referring to the consumption of those things, if every highschooler who had ever smoked weed or drank alchol was sent to prison, half the teenagers in this country would be rotting away in jails. I can't believe people are actually accepting this insanity. It boggles my mind.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Nowhere in the article does it say he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol. If you're referring to the consumption of those things, if every highschooler who had ever smoked weed or drank alchol was sent to prison, half the teenagers in this country would be rotting away in jails. I can't believe people are actually accepting this insanity. It boggles my mind.

of cousre it does, you're only five years older than the guy in jail...

hey, when you expose kids to adult issues and activties, and they engage in said activities like adults..don't be shocked when they are treated like adults.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Nowhere in the article does it say he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol. If you're referring to the consumption of those things, if every highschooler who had ever smoked weed or drank alchol was sent to prison, half the teenagers in this country would be rotting away in jails. I can't believe people are actually accepting this insanity. It boggles my mind.

If everyone who goes over the speed limit is given a ticket then every city/county/state would be operating in the black....yada, yada, yada...

Sorry, but your response is nothing but an attempt to justify something that is illegal. And it doesn't matter whether you think it's foolish or not, it's still against the law.....you act like he should be patted on the back and given a statue.

mmaddog
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[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Metrolike

Nowhere in the article does it say he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol. If you're referring to the consumption of those things, if every highschooler who had ever smoked weed or drank alchol was sent to prison, half the teenagers in this country would be rotting away in jails. I can't believe people are actually accepting this insanity. It boggles my mind.

It doesn't matter if he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol in regards to this conviction as he wasn't charged for that, was he? If they wanted to prosecute him on that then they should have done so. But for the purpose of this discussion, his providing the drugs and alcohol doesn't matter if they didn't make it part of his prosecution.

It's bull shit. To think if his johnson had just entered her vagina (God forbid sodomy) then he would have only done 2 years vs. 10. That is if he would have even been prosecuted in the first place.

It's an outrage that has gone past the prosecutors office. The GA Supreme Court is now an accomplice. And why the hell can't the Gov. pardon the kid.

I haven't heard, did the girls get any sort of punishment here? I mean it seems unfair for them to ruin these boys lives (all of them now deemed sex offenders) over consensual behavior.

[jrowe]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

It doesn't matter if he was the one who got the drugs and alcohol in regards to this conviction as he wasn't charged for that, was he? If they wanted to prosecute him on that then they should have done so. But for the purpose of this discussion, his providing the drugs and alcohol doesn't matter if they didn't make it part of his prosecution.

It's bull shit. To think if his johnson had just entered her vagina (God forbid sodomy) then he would have only done 2 years vs. 10. That is if he would have even been prosecuted in the first place.

It's an outrage that has gone past the prosecutors office. The GA Supreme Court is now an accomplice. And why the hell can't the Gov. pardon the kid.

I haven't heard, did the girls get any sort of punishment here? I mean it seems unfair for them to ruin these boys lives (all of them now deemed sex offenders) over consensual behavior.

A basic understanding of the appeals process and the rights granted to the GA supreme court and governor provide and easy answer to why they haven't stepped in. They can't under the law. It gives the governor the right to pardon in limited circumstances and the court can only review certain aspects of the case to see if legal standards were violated in reaching a conviction. They don't have a magic wand to do whatever they want.

Also, the prosecutor is bound by his oath of office to prosecute all crimes that fit the criminal code without injecting his own personal standards. He was simply keeping his word to the people. Yes, there is limited prosecutorial discretion. This was exercised by offering a plea AFTER conviction - something that is unheard of. If the plea would have been accepted, with parole, it would only have been two years time, the same amount of time as regular intercourse.

This kid sits in jail due to a series of bad choices he has made and continues to make. Yes, his punishment is excessive, but he is not a victim.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by jrowe

A basic understanding of the appeals process and the rights granted to the GA supreme court and governor provide and easy answer to why they haven't stepped in. They can't under the law. It gives the governor the right to pardon in limited circumstances and the court can only review certain aspects of the case to see if legal standards were violated in reaching a conviction. They don't have a magic wand to do whatever they want.

Also, the prosecutor is bound by his oath of office to prosecute all crimes that fit the criminal code without injecting his own personal standards. He was simply keeping his word to the people. Yes, there is limited prosecutorial discretion. This was exercised by offering a plea AFTER conviction - something that is unheard of. If the plea would have been accepted, with parole, it would only have been two years time, the same amount of time as regular intercourse.

This kid sits in jail due to a series of bad choices he has made and continues to make. Yes, his punishment is excessive, but he is not a victim.

Yeah, yeah, but there is more than just 'the law' going on here. The legislature made new law and then refused to make it retroactive. The SC voted 4-3 on the case down racial lines. Apparently, the prosecutor can ask for a reduction of the charges. He's offered 5 years. He's hunkered down and now, with all the publicity making him look like an embicil, he's probably not going to back down at all.

For some reason, everyone is sticking to the letter of the law. And yes, the young man made some bad choices that individuals his age make EVERYDAY. What makes this case unique and UNFAIR is that the individuals older and more experienced than he are making decisions they don't make every day (witness the lack of prosecution/conviction for similiar circumstances) and seem to be making an exception in this case to make a point.

When you have cowards hiding behind 'the law' to exercise other demons then it's quite difficult for an individual to learn a lesson about right and wrong.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

Yeah, yeah, but there is more than just 'the law' going on here. The legislature made new law and then refused to make it retroactive. The SC voted 4-3 on the case down racial lines. Apparently, the prosecutor can ask for a reduction of the charges. He's offered 5 years. He's hunkered down and now, with all the publicity making him look like an embicil, he's probably not going to back down at all.

For some reason, everyone is sticking to the letter of the law. And yes, the young man made some bad choices that individuals his age make EVERYDAY. What makes this case unique and UNFAIR is that the individuals older and more experienced than he are making decisions they don't make every day (witness the lack of prosecution/conviction for similiar circumstances) and seem to be making an exception in this case to make a point.

When you have cowards hiding behind 'the law' to exercise other demons then it's quite difficult for an individual to learn a lesson about right and wrong.

So...should we pick and choose which laws we enforce and which ones we "let slide".....

I am all for leniency....but for everyone to act like this is common everday stuff and we should let is slide is outrageous. How would you feel about this if the girls were your daughters? Irregardless of whether they consented or not, this kid made his choice.

I'm not for having him in prison with all the worst criminal element of society. But this isn't as easy to gloss over as some has inferred in their posts. And he isn't the victim to the depth that this article is trying to portray.

Let me ask this....this kid, we believe, was drinking and maybe taking drugs. Just because "every teen does it these days" (and exaggeration if I have ever heard one) doesn't make it right.

Sorry...the more people post trying to exact sympathy, the less I am prone to exhibit it.

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