Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds. - Page 3

BIG_DADDY · 01-31-2007, 06:45 PM

I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend.

Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs.
(a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following:
(1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days
old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the
following breed(s):
i. American Pit Bull Terrier
ii. American Staffordshire Terrier
iii. Bull Terrier
iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier
v. Argentine Dogo
vi. Cane Corso
vii. Dogue de Bordeaux
viii. Dogo Cubano
ix. Dogo Sardesco
x. Fila Brasileiro
xi. Perro de Presa Canario
xii. Wolf hybrids
(2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without
provocation; or
(3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or
combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent
attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or
otherwise physically injured; or
(4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog
fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or
(5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used
primarily to guard public or private property; or
(6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should
be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or
disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger
the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to

**Lzen** · 02-01-2007, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They're called Promise Keeper events.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ............. haaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Not really. That was stupid.

But I do agree with your previous post. A lot of irresponsible owners who want to look like a badass with their pitbulls. I don't agree with banning the breed outright. That punishes the good owners. I think they could come up with something that would make it less tempting to own a pit just to be another thug with a tough looking dog.

**Lzen** · 02-01-2007, 12:19 PM

The issue is not that pitbulls are more likely to bite humans. I don't think they are any more likely to do that than most other breeds. A lot of it is in how the owner raiser the dog. The issue is how strong a pitbull's jaws are and how much damage they are capable of. That being said, there are plenty of well balanced pitbulls that should not be included in this type of legislation. BSL is stupid, IMO.

Sully · 02-01-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They're called Promise Keeper events.

LOL

Awesome!!

HonestChieffan · 02-01-2007, 12:27 PM

not sure I understand the promice keepers comment at all

Redrum_69 · 02-01-2007, 12:28 PM

Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds.

Does this include people too?

acesn8s · 02-01-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

not sure I understand the promice keepers comment at all

Keep pondering.

jynni · 02-01-2007, 01:21 PM

I've really only had contact with two pits (well, one was an American Staffordshire Terrier) and they were two of the sweetest, best behaved dogs I've ever met.

HonestChieffan · 02-01-2007, 01:30 PM

Interesting perspective here...seems the data says something rather different than we are often led to believe...

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html

**TrebMaxx** · 02-01-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

I got an Australian Cattle dog last year. He is little hyper and out of control sometimes, but he might be the smartest dog I have ever owned. One of the best decisions I've made.

I hear ya. Mine are just now starting to show signs of settling down and they just reached 4 years old. The first two years they were really crazy. One thing that really cracks the wife and I up is when ever they want something, like to be let outside or to be fed, they will try to herd one of us to the back door or where we keep the dog food. You will end up with one on your right and one on your left, then they work as a team guiding the stupid human.

Back on topic. I am also on the side that it is ignorant owners that cause the problems with what ever breed a dog may be. I have friends that raised two pits from pups to be inside lap dogs and man they are the coolest dogs. All they want is to be petted and snuggled with.

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Interesting perspective here...seems the data says something rather different than we are often led to believe...

http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html

Look dude if you don't want to look like fear mongering clown I have posted endless facts on this subject in several threads since they started proposing BSL. I am not going to repost them all here you can just go back and look if you are really interested and not baiting.(I am still not convinced you are not baiting) In short this has never been about pit bulls it has been about tying to end the domestic ownership of all dogs. That's why they pass vicious dog legislation then add breeds as opposed to just passing pit bull legislation. That's why in this case they are already starting out with 12 different breeds and anything that even resembles them. Some places are now going after any dog above a certain weight because they are losing the BS battle based upon going after pit bulls. Pit bulls are NOT human aggressive. MOF if they show any sign of human aggression they are immediately put down as 3 people have to handle them in the pit. PETA and the HSUS are currently infiltating all areas of animal control. THe experts are stepping up though and the great majority of all BSL is being defeated across the country right now based upon those facts and experts. I have a lifetime of exposure to the breed. I have tons of friends with them and they have kids and their kids have friends. Not once has anyone ever been bitten. I am speaking from experience and not from zero exposure trying to find somthing on the internet to to grab and create fear. If you do your due diligence on this subject you will see I am correct if you are really interested and not just baiting.

Pitt Gorilla · 02-01-2007, 02:10 PM

I love Aussie Shepherds. My family had one on the farm and she was incredible as a cattle dog.

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

I hear ya. Mine are just now starting to show signs of settling down and they just reached 4 years old. The first two years they were really crazy. One thing that really cracks the wife and I up is when ever they want something, like to be let outside or to be fed, they will try to herd one of us to the back door or where we keep the dog food. You will end up with one on your right and one on your left, then they work as a team guiding the stupid human.

Back on topic. I am also on the side that it is ignorant owners that cause the problems with what ever breed a dog may be. I have friends that raised two pits from pups to be inside lap dogs and man they are the coolest dogs. All they want is to be petted and snuggled with.

Most affectionate breed I have ever been around. I nicknamed mine velcro because he always wants to be attached to you.

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I love Aussie Shepherds. My family had one on the farm and she was incredible as a cattle dog.

You see these new caucasion shepherds the Russians developed and are shipping over here right now. 160 pounds. I would post a picture but the planet isn't doing so well in that department right now. here is a link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DX

elvomito · 02-01-2007, 03:21 PM

bd those are some neat lookin dogs... wonder why they named him demon
http://www.vbocaucasian.com/ huge is right!
do you happen to know what people here are payin for them?

BIG_DADDY · 02-01-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elvomito

bd those are some neat lookin dogs... wonder why they named him demon
http://www.vbocaucasian.com/ huge is right!
do you happen to know what people here are payin for them?

No I don't. They are supposed to be great guard dogs. They are rolling them in Russia but I haven't heard anything about the results.

01-31-2007, 06:45 PM
BIG_DADDY THE RED MENACE Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas Casino cash: $2558410	Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds. I got to pat myself on the back, some of you said I was crazy. WTF is going on out there in Kansas and Missouri? The mass majority of the country is throwing out BSL but you guys are catering to PETA and HSUS like nobody else by far. Fast track to the slaughter of man's best friend. Sec. 6-25. Dangerous dogs. (a) As used in this section, “dangerous dog” shall mean and include any of the following: (1) Any dog, whether purebred or mix, which is more than ninety (90) days old, and has the appearance and characteristics of any one or more of the following breed(s): i. American Pit Bull Terrier ii. American Staffordshire Terrier iii. Bull Terrier iv. Staffordshire Bull Terrier v. Argentine Dogo vi. Cane Corso vii. Dogue de Bordeaux viii. Dogo Cubano ix. Dogo Sardesco x. Fila Brasileiro xi. Perro de Presa Canario xii. Wolf hybrids (2) Any dog which has attacked a human being or domestic animal without provocation; or (3) Any dog, while at-large, that, without provocation, exhibits aggression or combativeness toward a person or another domestic animal in an apparent attack, whether or not said person or animal is actually attacked, bitten, or otherwise physically injured; or (4) Any dog kept or harbored primarily, or in part, for the purpose of dog fighting, or any dog trained for dog fighting; or (5) Any dog, not owned by a governmental or law enforcement unit, used primarily to guard public or private property; or (6) Any dog which is known to his keeper or harborer, or reasonably should be known to his keeper or harborer, to have a propensity, tendency or disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury or to otherwise endanger the safety of human beings or domestic animals. It is hereby declared to
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02-01-2007, 12:19 PM	#32
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-659308	The issue is not that pitbulls are more likely to bite humans. I don't think they are any more likely to do that than most other breeds. A lot of it is in how the owner raiser the dog. The issue is how strong a pitbull's jaws are and how much damage they are capable of. That being said, there are plenty of well balanced pitbulls that should not be included in this type of legislation. BSL is stupid, IMO. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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02-01-2007, 12:27 PM	#34
HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1575691	not sure I understand the promice keepers comment at all __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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Redrum_69 Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: your nightmares Casino cash: $10004900	Manhattan Kansas going after anything even resembling 12 different breeds. Does this include people too?
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02-01-2007, 01:21 PM	#37
jynni Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $-1343669	I've really only had contact with two pits (well, one was an American Staffordshire Terrier) and they were two of the sweetest, best behaved dogs I've ever met.
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02-01-2007, 01:30 PM	#38
HonestChieffan Seeking the Truth daily Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the Country in MO Casino cash: $-1575691	Interesting perspective here...seems the data says something rather different than we are often led to believe... http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html __________________ "We read books for knowledge; We read the Bible for wisdom!"
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02-01-2007, 02:10 PM	#41
Pitt Gorilla Banned! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201 Casino cash: $-119806	I love Aussie Shepherds. My family had one on the farm and she was incredible as a cattle dog. __________________ Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
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02-01-2007, 03:21 PM	#44
elvomito ☻☺ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: ♠█♠ Casino cash: $10004900	bd those are some neat lookin dogs... wonder why they named him demon http://www.vbocaucasian.com/ huge is right! do you happen to know what people here are payin for them?
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