Time to trade Jared Allen... - Page 14

htismaqe · 03-28-2007, 09:31 AM

With the latest news from his agent, it's time to shop the guy hard to Atlanta to see if we can get the Schaub picks.

Anybody agree?

L.A. Chieffan · 03-30-2007, 10:22 AM

Ok htismaqe. Start a poll.
Trade him or keep him.

**HemiEd** · 03-30-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

That's what I was referring to yesterday when I mentioned the idea that a lot of fans love him for his personality. Hard-drinking good-'ol boy. That's great if you're looking for somebody to hang out with.

Not exactly the qualities you're looking for in someone you plan to committ millions of dollars to over the course of several years.

As was said a few posts back, he needs to keep his nose clean and have an amazing 12 games on the field this year when his suspension's over. Earn the big contract next offseason, and get rid of the red flags.

That would be the smart way to approch this.

You make your point very well as usual. I guess my opinion is so heavily influenced by watching the Thanksgiving game replay Wednesday night. I specifically focused on watching him and have never done that before. Denver made some half time adjustments to slow him down, but he sure owned them in the first half. He single handedly stopped the Plummer bootleg on one play. There have been days when the Planet might have erected a bust of the player that could do that.

**HemiEd** · 03-30-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

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L.A. Chieffan · 03-30-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

You make your point very well as usual. I guess my opinion is so heavily influenced by watching the Thanksgiving game replay Wednesday night. I specifically focused on watching him and have never done that before. Denver made some half time adjustments to slow him down, but he sure owned them in the first half. He single handedly stopped the Plummer bootleg on one play. There have been days when the Planet might have erected a bust of the player that could do that.

Not to mention the St. Louis game last year and the Redskin game a couple of years ago. He pretty much dominated and swayed the outcome of both those games.
He can and does have the potential to be a game breaking player.

htismaqe · 03-30-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

You make your point very well as usual. I guess my opinion is so heavily influenced by watching the Thanksgiving game replay Wednesday night. I specifically focused on watching him and have never done that before. Denver made some half time adjustments to slow him down, but he sure owned them in the first half. He single handedly stopped the Plummer bootleg on one play. There have been days when the Planet might have erected a bust of the player that could do that.

Don't get me wrong.

He's a good player. Bordering on GREAT player.

But to me the writing is on the wall:

He's gonna be suspended. He's one transgression away from being gone for an entire season. He doesn't want to be here. And to top it all off, he's gonna be a UFA next year.

If we can get good picks for him, it's in the team's best interest to take them and move on.

4th and Long · 03-30-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

He can and does have the potential to be a game breaking player.

He also has the potentail to rack up another DUI and get suspended for a long period of time.

L.A. Chieffan · 03-30-2007, 10:45 AM

I just wanna ask, because I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
What happens if Allen is arrested again? Is there any type of suspension that will incur?
I'm still not clear on that, maybe somebody can enlighten me.

**BigRedChief** · 03-30-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

BRC, Jared doesn't look like an athlete in that picture.

I remember seeing it once before. Can you fill me in on the details.

It looks very much like something I might have done at his age.

It's from a newpaper article out of state, in Tennesse somewhere about the concert. They just happened to publish a pic of Allen. They had no idea he was n NFL player. He was following some band around on tour for the summer. Dave Matthews or something like that.

**HemiEd** · 03-30-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Don't get me wrong.

He's a good player. Bordering on GREAT player.

But to me the writing is on the wall:

He's gonna be suspended. He's one transgression away from being gone for an entire season. He doesn't want to be here. And to top it all off, he's gonna be a UFA next year.

If we can get good picks for him, it's in the team's best interest to take them and move on.

"He doesn't want to be here" See, this is where I have a disagreement or at the very least, a misunderstanding.
Does anyone have a link or actual quote where Jared himself says this? Everything I have seen or read like this, has come from his so called agent. An agent that is on the big stage for the first time, if that info is correct.
The one time I heard Jared, Carlotta asked him very pointed questions, he indicated he planned and wanted to be in KC. He made me believe everyting was fine.

I personally, would rather lose the guy for a year, than lose him forever.

4th and Long · 03-30-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

I just wanna ask, because I don't think anyone has brought this up yet.
What happens if Allen is arrested again? Is there any type of suspension that will incur?
I'm still not clear on that, maybe somebody can enlighten me.

Stage 1 is fairly straightforward. Essentially a positive test of someone. Now this could be a random test or a tip from someone such as NFL security or the team. All tests are confidential but a failure gets you into Stage 1. This stage is not to last more than 60 days, during which there is random testing. A player is usually given a few days notice but must not miss the test. Failure of a test or missing of a test gets you automatic admission into Stage 2.

Ah yes, Stage 2. During Stage 1 a treatment plan has been put together. Complete with regular meetings with Psychiatrists, Medical Doctors, etc. to stop what the NFL deems might be a problem starting. In Stage 2, which is only to last 24 months or two complete seasons, this gets more intense. You life is really not your own. Tests are more often, less time in advance, and the penalties are far more severe. In the NFL’s own words…

“(1)Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has a Positive Test or who in the judgment of the Medical Director fails to comply with his Treatment Plan during Stage Two will be subject to:

(a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the player has successfully completed Stage One; and

(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular season and post-season (including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay if he did not successfully complete Stage One.

(2)Discipline for Second Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has two Positive Tests in Stage Two; or fails twice, as determined by the Medical Director, to comply with his Treatment Plan in Stage Two; or has a Positive Test and fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, as determined by the Medical Director, will incur:

(a) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was fined pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(a) above; and

(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover six consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was suspended pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(b) above.”

Pretty straightforward. You would think someone in Stage 2 would take this seriously. After all, where else can you get paid this much money as in the NFL? But addiction is a very tough thing to beat. But stay away from Stage 3!!!

In Stage 3, the player has failed the other two stages. There is no time limit on Stage 3. Once in this stage, you are in this stage for the rest of your career, period. Unannounced testing, counseling from all angles, NO TOLERANCE for failure. This is stricter than the requirements of the military, companies, or any other sport I know of.

You fail in Stage 3, the penalty is, in the NFL’s own words, BANISHMENT! First for a minimum of one year, second, while it is on a case by case basis the chances of maintaining your career are pretty slim. Start looking at a new line of work. Once you are banished, you do not get paid regardless of whether is was a guaranteed signing bonus or not. If you apply for reinstatement, and are reinstated, then you can pick up your contract. Although many teams have clauses in the behavioral section of the contract that would nullify it if you hit Stage 3. At Stage 3 you are really at the mercy of the NFL to get yourself back in.

L.A. Chieffan · 03-30-2007, 10:50 AM

I'm sorry I still don't get it.
What will happen?

htismaqe · 03-30-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

"He doesn't want to be here" See, this is where I have a disagreement or at the very least, a misunderstanding.
Does anyone have a link or actual quote where Jared himself says this? Everything I have seen or read like this, has come from his so called agent. An agent that is on the big stage for the first time, if that info is correct.
The one time I heard Jared, Carlotta asked him very pointed questions, he indicated he planned and wanted to be in KC. He made me believe everyting was fine.

I personally, would rather lose the guy for a year, than lose him forever.

It's just not as simple as saying "His agent said that, he didn't".

Do you honestly think Allen's agent did a 1-hour interview with Rhonda Moss and told her a bunch of stuff that Allen wasn't aware of? Seriously...

Allen's agent told her 2007 would be his last year in KC. Do you honestly think he'd say something that impactful without talking to Jared about it first?

htismaqe · 03-30-2007, 10:54 AM

Jared Allen is not being punished under the NFL substance abuse policy.

Jared Allen is facing a 4-game suspension because he was convicted of a crime.

Same as Warfield.

**HemiEd** · 03-30-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's just not as simple as saying "His agent said that, he didn't".

Do you honestly think Allen's agent did a 1-hour interview with Rhonda Moss and told her a bunch of stuff that Allen wasn't aware of? Seriously...

Allen's agent told her 2007 would be his last year in KC. Do you honestly think he'd say something that impactful without talking to Jared about it first?

Well, I told you what Allen said, and his interview was here on the Planet for everyone to listen to. Was he just being PC? Heck, I dunno, but he sounded sincere.

I will ask again, do you have a link or a transcript of this "agent" interview, since we no longer have Allen saying it? I don't get all the KC media out here, even though I try. Could this agent just be posturing Carl, or trying to play hard ball?

Damn I hate the thought of losing our best defensive player since DT!
****!

htismaqe · 03-30-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Well, I told you what Allen said, and his interview was here on the Planet for everyone to listen to. Was he just being PC? Heck, I dunno, but he sounded sincere.

I will ask again, do you have a link or a transcript of this "agent" interview, since we no longer have Allen saying it? I don't get all the KC media out here, even though I try. Could this agent just be posturing Carl, or trying to play hard ball?

Damn I hate the thought of losing our best defensive player since DT!
****!

The truth probably lies somewhere in between. Allen was leaning towards being PC, while his agent is leaning towards playing hardball.

I don't particularly relish the though of losing him either. But if we're going to lose him after next season anyway, I'd rather get it over with now and get some picks.

03-28-2007, 09:31 AM
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03-30-2007, 10:22 AM	#196
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03-30-2007, 10:45 AM	#202
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $2688654	I just wanna ask, because I don't think anyone has brought this up yet. What happens if Allen is arrested again? Is there any type of suspension that will incur? I'm still not clear on that, maybe somebody can enlighten me.
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03-30-2007, 10:50 AM	#206
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03-30-2007, 10:54 AM	#208
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8079900	Jared Allen is not being punished under the NFL substance abuse policy. Jared Allen is facing a 4-game suspension because he was convicted of a crime. Same as Warfield.
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