For those that want to draft a WR in the first round....

chop · 04-13-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

Can anyone say smokescreen?

Hopefully Herm isn't stupid enough to show his hand before draft day.

Herm doesn't strike me as a poker player.

**HemiEd** · 04-13-2007, 08:03 AM

We don't need no stinking WRs to run Herm Edwards "Offense."

We only need defensive players, period.

Damn I miss Vermeil.

chop · 04-13-2007, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

We don't need no stinking WRs to run Herm Edwards "Offense."

We only need defensive players, period.

Damn I miss Vermeil.

If Webb and Hannon are as good as Herm thinks they are or can be then we are set a WR this year. They can concentrate on rebuilding the O-Line and D-Line and get younger at the CB positions.

Archie Bunker · 04-13-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by chop

If Webb and Hannon are as good as Herm thinks they are or can be then we are set a WR this year. They can concentrate on rebuilding the O-Line and D-Line and get younger at the CB positions.

Bingo.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2007, 08:22 AM

I've been trying to prepare people for this for weeks.

Not only does Herm not feel we need WR's, he feels they aren't good value in R1.

“For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”

I'm not sure why this comes as a huge shock to anyone......

At this point, I'm thinking we go CB in R1, trade down for Harrell or Tank, or reach for a player......

beer bacon · 04-13-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I've been trying to prepare people for this for weeks.

Not only does Herm not feel we need WR's, he feels they aren't good value in R1.

“For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations.
“You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.”

I'm not sure why this comes as a huge shock to anyone......

At this point, I'm thinking we go CB in R1, trade down for Harrell or Tank, or reach for a player......

I hope we reach for the next Tamba Hali.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon

I hope we reach for the next Tamba Hali.

No kidding. This place was at DefCon 4 when he was taken last year.

That's why taking these so called "draft experts" word as gospel is wrong, IMO. Taking a guy a round or two early....that's a reach. Taking a guy 10 picks early.....not so much. Plus, I trust scouting departments over hacks getting paid by ESPN.

The word "reach" is used way too often on this board.

Chiefnj · 04-13-2007, 09:06 AM

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated -

I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road?

Brock · 04-13-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated -

It might have been because he was only active for 5 games.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-13-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj

Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated -

I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road?

I guess I'm reading this differently.

I don't think he's opposed to drafting a WR, I think he's opposed to spening a R1 on a position that:

1) Isn't likely to make an impact right away

2) He can get talented players at that position later in the draft, freeing up early picks for other positions.

I think we'll take a WR, I just think it'll be later. Better value at other positions early. Plus, we all know he's looking to stockpile picks. Wouldn't be surprised to see us trade down, providing we can find a trading partner.

Archie Bunker · 04-13-2007, 10:04 AM

After Calvin Johnson I really don't see much of difference between the WRs available in the late 1st and those available in 2nd-3rd rds. IMO CB might be the best value @ 23.

Herm seems to have his young WRs already. We'll see if thats good or bad.

**HemiEd** · 04-13-2007, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chop

If Webb and Hannon are as good as Herm thinks they are or can be then we are set a WR this year. They can concentrate on rebuilding the O-Line and D-Line and get younger at the CB positions.

If we don't take WR in the first, I sure hope we take a Corner, or I will be pissed.

jiveturkey · 04-13-2007, 08:26 AM

Can you imagine Eric Wright as the Nickle Back this year?

eazyb81 · 04-13-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jiveturkey

Can you imagine Eric Wright as the Nickle Back this year?

Yes, his ceiling is through the roof.

**Bowser** · 04-13-2007, 08:07 AM

So it's a lock. We take a receiver.

I want to see the nuclear blast of a meltdown if we pass on Jarrett, Meachem, and/or Bowe. Our luck, all three will be sitting there, and we'll take some shitass tackle, or some such.

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04-13-2007, 08:22 AM	#5
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	I've been trying to prepare people for this for weeks. Not only does Herm not feel we need WR's, he feels they aren't good value in R1. “For some reason, it takes them a while. Most rookie receivers don’t come in and light it up their first year. They struggle. The dynamics have changed for those guys from college to the NFL. You have to understand that when you draft a receiver in the first round. A lot of them don’t play their first year and even when they play, they don’t live up to expectations. “You can find guys to help you at wide receiver later in the draft, definitely.” I'm not sure why this comes as a huge shock to anyone...... At this point, I'm thinking we go CB in R1, trade down for Harrell or Tank, or reach for a player......
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04-13-2007, 09:06 AM	#8
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	Santana Moss was the first player chosen when Herm was head coach with the NYJ. Even though he was a mid first round pick, Herm didn't really use him much that rookie year. I wonder if the system was too complicated - I don't advocate focussing on positions in the draft, I much prefer the best player available approach. That being said, Herm's reasoning for not wanting a WR is disturbing. If they aren't likely to make an impact right away and need a season or two to get acclimated to the NFL, wouldn't you take one now while your QB is getting acclimated and they both hit their stride 2-3 years down the road? __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07)
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Archie Bunker The Wait Is Over Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Random Small Town Casino cash: $-701022	After Calvin Johnson I really don't see much of difference between the WRs available in the late 1st and those available in 2nd-3rd rds. IMO CB might be the best value @ 23. Herm seems to have his young WRs already. We'll see if thats good or bad.
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04-13-2007, 08:07 AM	#15
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $-218384	So it's a lock. We take a receiver. I want to see the nuclear blast of a meltdown if we pass on Jarrett, Meachem, and/or Bowe. Our luck, all three will be sitting there, and we'll take some shitass tackle, or some such.
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