San Diego Joins the 21st Century supports gay marriage.

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Do you know where your city stands. Would you support a Mayor that voted to suppurt gay marriage or would you try to recall him/her?

By Matthew T. Hall
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
6:19 p.m. September 19, 2007

Mayor Jerry Sanders reversed his position on gay marriage Wednesday, supporting it in emotional remarks punctuated by pauses, shaking sips of water and his wife's hand resting one time reassuringly on his back.
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A day after staff members said Sanders would veto it, the mayor announced that he would sign a City Council resolution passed Tuesday that directed the City Attorney's Office to file a brief in support of gay marriage. The council voted 5-3 to send the brief to the state Supreme Court backing an end to the state's ban on same-sex marriage. Similar briefs have been sent by other cities, which like San Diego, are not directly involved in the case. Almost 200 people attended the council hearing on the issue, with gay marriage supporters arguing for equal treatment under the law, and opponents contending marriage should be between a man and a woman. “As I reflected on the choices that I had before me last night I could just not bring myself to tell an entire group of people in our community they were less important, less worthy or less deserving of the rights and responsibilities of marriage than anyone else simply because of their sexual orientation,” Sanders said. In a reference to his daughter and two staff members who are gay, he said, “I want for them the same thing that we all want for our loved ones, for each of them to find a mate whom they love deeply and loves them back, someone with whom they can grow old together and share life's experiences, and I want their relationships to be protected equally under the law.” In his 2005 mayoral campaign, Sanders said he supported civil unions and domestic partnerships but not gay marriage. “I have personally wrestled with that opinion ever since,” he said Wednesday his voice wavering. “My opinions on this issue have evolved significantly as I think the opinions of millions of Americans from all walks of life have.” In a nod to those who don't support gay marriage, he said, “I acknowledge that not all members of our community will agree or even understand.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

YOU are the one that has stated time and time again throughout your time on the 'Planet how morally bankrupt, twisted and "liberal" the people of SoCal were during your stay. Obviously, you weren't meant to be here because you're not. I know several people that came to LA and couldn't take it. It was far too different from the midwest. Too many ethnicities, too many gays, too much competition. They all went home. The few that stuck it out are now very happy and very successful.

Additionally, you don't know anything about me either. I've shared very few stories here because too many people take offense to my experiences. Trust me, I've only shared about 1% of what's happened to me and my life since moving to LA 14 years ago and at times, that 1% is too much.

As I stated previously (though you seemed to ignore it), I'm sorry your stay in SoCal didn't meet your expectations. That's life. If you're so talented and should be working in the entertainment business, you should certainly get your ass back out here. You don't want to be 65 years old and look back and say "What if...".

Yes, living in Hollywood, i saw many things that turned my stomach. As for me using the term 'liberal', its never happened...because i dont think thats some dirty word. It has a lot of positive aspects to it.

I've known several incredibly talented musicians & actors, many of whom are still there & are still struggling like hell just to pay the bills. Theres an INCREDIBLE amount of luck that plays into finding success in that business. There are thousands of talentless hacks who made it on sheer, blind luck alone. Talent often has nothing to do with it.

Living there taught me that you dont have to live there to break into the business. At this point in my life, i've decided that being present & active in my kids lives is more important than those dreams. That could well change in time, and if it does, i'll make the 3 hour drive to Chicago to pursue it...major network shows & movies are filmed there on a daily basis.

The wild variety of cultures & people out there hardly deterred me, in fact, it excited me...its the entertainment biz types, wannabe's & hangers on that spoiled me.

As for you, i fought fire with fire when i felt i had to...thats how i am...but i am NOT a naturally hateful person.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

Great, you spent a long time in Kansas, and then in California. I'm sorry, but whooptee-freekin-do!!

You and I both agree on this issue, but I find you're response to be completely smug. Do you need to be tolerant of people's opinions that are 2000 miles away. YES. If you want to hold yourself out there as some progressive west coaster that is clued in where all the folks back in the midwest don't understand, then yes, I expect you to demonstrate a higher degree of intellect and understanding on tolerance.

Tolerance goes both ways- both in accepting and not accepting. You can't possibly claim to be a person that embraces all lifestyles if you simply dismiss those that are less open-minded about such issues.

Gee, thanks for the pep talk. You're what, 28 years old? Well, I'm almost 42. 42!

I like how you're defending tolerance by stating that those close minded people living in the midwest should be defended for their out-dated misconceptions and ill-conceived perceptions. What? That makes no sense. Let's defend those who make ridiculous and hurtful statements because they should be accepted as well? WTF?

Are you married to an Asian woman? I am. Do you have any idea how difficult it is for her to ever VISIT Kansas City? She's Filipino and stands out like a sore thumb. We went to Tanner's on 119th & College a few years back and you'd have thought that Osama Bin Laden had walked in the door when we entered. It was very difficult for her with everyone staring (and BTW, she's second generation, UCLA math major grad - not someone who just arrived). THAT does not happen in on the West Coast. Or NYC or Miami or any place other than the Midwest.

My family has made EMBARRASSING comments while around her and they've made EMBARRASSING comments about gays and in the presence of gays while visiting Los Angeles. It's not that they intend to be hurtful but the comments are very hurtful. I realize that it's a product of their environment but PLEASE, don't defend people that make those comments as intelligent, wise and experienced people.

You've only been on the 'Planet for a short period of time so you have NO IDEA how people in California are treated and viewed. Most of the Cali people will agree with me that there is an unfavorable view of us West Coasters, regardless of the fact that most of us have spent a considerable amount of time living in the Midwest.

If you don't think that Bugeater's comments are a product of his experience and environment, then you must come to the conclusion that he's a hateful person. I don't believe that. But I do believe that his lack of experience in dealing with gays and non-whites has shaped his ill-informed and biased opinions.

Thanks for bringing up the "Liberal" thing again, though you failed to realize that YOU are assuming that since I live in California, I'm automatically liberal. Nice. For the record (and for about the 1,231 time), I've voted Republican in four elections and for the Democrats once.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by scott free

I've known several incredibly talented musicians & actors, many of whom are still there & are still struggling like hell just to pay the bills. Theres an INCREDIBLE amount of luck that plays into finding success in that business. There are thousands of talentless hacks who made it on sheer, blind luck alone. Talent often has nothing to do with it.

As for you, i fought fire with fire when i felt i had to...thats how i am...but i am NOT a naturally hateful person.

Talent often doesn't have anything to do with being successful but then again, it usually does. I've also found that many people over-rate their own talent and the talent (or lack of talent) of others. So it's all objective. And yes, it's a very, very difficult business to crack but you can't crack it if you leave. I understand that you had personal reasons for leaving. If you had stayed, there was still no guarantee that you would have found success.

I don't take your comments towards me as hateful and I'd be a pretty thin-skinned person if I were to take them to heart. I've been through far too much in my time in Los Angeles to take the opinions of an anonymous poster on a football forum seriously.

No hard feelings, whatsoever. Though I'll defer the fart-sucking to someone else.

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I'm posting this from San Francisco. If you have ever seen the insanity homosexuals sink to you would never be posting this nonsense. I'm not referring to one instance of odd behavior, but acts of depravity in the open on the streets on a hourly basis.