Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied.

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Beat me to it. But I think he might be talking about the undrafted free agents.

Correct. How many of those undrafted free agents have the Pats/Indy got in the last few years? There is an obvious corelation. So, we have a handful in 17 years of trying? Thats good enough to keep your job?

Also if you rememeber right Priest was brought in to be a 3rd down back not the feature back. Tony Richardson was going to be the feature back.

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Correct. How many of those undrafted free agents have the Pats/Indy got in the last few years? There is an obvious corelation. So, we have a handful in 17 years of trying? Thats good enough to keep your job?

Also if you rememeber right Priest was brought in to be a 3rd down back not the feature back. Tony Richardson was going to be the feature back.

Yep, we got lucky with Priest, but if you keep trying it should happen once in a while. I know I was really excited when we signed him, he was a proven commodity to me.
I think we may actually have a couple UDFAs on the roster now, that could could stick. Further evidence, Herm is the best talent evaluator this team has had since Marty.

**ChiefGator** · 10-08-2007, 11:45 AM

Total Players Drafted: 35

Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1
. Greg Wesley SS

Players on other teams rosters: 7

. Ryan Sims (played in no games this year)
. Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team)
. Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona)
. Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles)
. Dante Hall (St. Louis)
. John Tait (starts in Chicago)
. Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore )

Now THAT, is PRICELESS!

Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety.

Terrible drafting.

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Total Players Drafted: 35

Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1
. Greg Wesley SS

Players on other teams rosters: 7

. Ryan Sims (played in no games this year)
. Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team)
. Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona)
. Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles)
. Dante Hall (St. Louis)
. John Tait (starts in Chicago)
. Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore )

Now THAT, is PRICELESS!

Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety.

Terrible drafting.

How do the King Carl defenders justify this record?

**ChiefGator** · 10-08-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How do the King Carl defenders justify this record?

Beats me... About four productive players ( Hall, Tait, Wesley, and Stills) and probably only one who should be starting (Tait). That's not a good record out of 35 picks. That's around 11%.

And less than 3% of these players drafted by the Chiefs still play for the chiefs.

And 77% of them are out of football entirely!

I didn't really realize it was so bad until I started searching for each of these players in NFL rosters.

Mark

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Beats me... About four productive players ( Hall, Tait, Wesley, and Stills) and probably only one who should be starting (Tait). That's not a good record out of 35 picks. That's around 11%.

And less than 3% of these players drafted by the Chiefs still play for the chiefs.

And 77% of them are out of football entirely!

I didn't really realize it was so bad until I started searching for each of these players in NFL rosters.

Mark

Wonder what the ratio is for other teams? Can't imagine its this bad.

a1na2 · 10-08-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Wonder what the ratio is for other teams? Can't imagine its this bad.

What is the combined draft record of all of the other GM's in the league?

You guys seem to forget that there are more busts in the drafts than superstars. It's always been that way and always will.

Archie Bunker · 10-08-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How do the King Carl defenders justify this record?

Who defends Carl?

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Total Players Drafted: 35

Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1
. Greg Wesley SS

Players on other teams rosters: 7

. Ryan Sims (played in no games this year)
. Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team)
. Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona)
. Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles)
. Dante Hall (St. Louis)
. John Tait (starts in Chicago)
. Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore )

Now THAT, is PRICELESS!

Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety.

Terrible drafting.

What is this supposed to represent, what time frame?

**ChiefGator** · 10-08-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

What is this supposed to represent, what time frame?

The years in the thread starter... 1998-2002 inclusive.

**HemiEd** · 10-09-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

The years in the thread starter... 1998-2002 inclusive.

Then Trent Green and Dick Vermeil should be included, as they were two very high picks. But then, it wouldn't look as bad.

**ChiefGator** · 10-09-2007, 07:31 AM

So, Baltimore has 3 players on their roster still, and they are all big contributors. Almost twice as many of the players they selected are still playing football.

That says something.

**ChiefGator** · 10-09-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Then Trent Green and Dick Vermeil should be included, as they were two very high picks. But then, it wouldn't look as bad.

That's not drafting.. that's pissing away draft picks... :-P

Those are trades. I'm not saying we can't spot talent once it has been in the league, or is a known quantity. I think this thread is in regards to how our actual drafts have gone down between these five years.

Not going to get into how we should build through the draft instead of trading for players that will last five years or give high draft picks for coaches.

Ooops... I did it again...

**ChiefGator** · 10-09-2007, 08:34 AM

EXHIBIT B - DENVER BRONCOS

(I'm not going to bother with the entire list, unless someone really wants it. It can be found here:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...1400&type=team )

ANALYSIS

Total Drafted Players: 43

Players still on the Ravens roster: 2
. Ian Gold LB
. Ben Hamilton C/G

Players on other teams rosters: 15
. Ashley Lelie WR (49ers)
. Clinton Portis RB (redskins)
. Jeb Putzier TE (texans)
. Reggie Hayward DE (jags)
. Nick Harris P (lions)
. Deltha O'Neal CB (bengals)
. Kenoy Kennedy SAF (lions)
. Cooper Carlisle G (raiders)
. Mike Anderson RB (ravens)
. Montae Reagor DE (eagles)
. Lennie Friedman C (browns)
. David Bowens LB (jets)
. Desmond Clark TE (bears)
. Billy Miller WR/TE (saints)
. Brian Griese QB (bears)

Other players of note: 1
. Al Wilson LB (first year of unemployment)

Looks like even Shanahan drafts better than us, and he goes out to free agency like mad every off-season.

**ChiefGator** · 10-09-2007, 08:39 AM

Okay.. now the comparison...

Chiefs drafted 35 times over these five years with 1 (3%) remaining on our roster and 7 ( 20% ) remaining on a NFL team.

Ravens drafted 34 times over these five years with 3 ( 9% ) remaining on their roster and 12 (35%) remaining on a NFL team.

Broncos drafted 43 times over these five years with 2 (5%) remaining on their roster and 15 (35%) remaining on a NFL team.

10-08-2007, 11:45 AM	#3
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	Total Players Drafted: 35 Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1 . Greg Wesley SS Players on other teams rosters: 7 . Ryan Sims (played in no games this year) . Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team) . Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona) . Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles) . Dante Hall (St. Louis) . John Tait (starts in Chicago) . Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore ) Now THAT, is PRICELESS! Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety. Terrible drafting. __________________ - Mark
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10-09-2007, 07:31 AM	#12
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	So, Baltimore has 3 players on their roster still, and they are all big contributors. Almost twice as many of the players they selected are still playing football. That says something. __________________ - Mark
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10-09-2007, 08:34 AM	#14
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	EXHIBIT B - DENVER BRONCOS (I'm not going to bother with the entire list, unless someone really wants it. It can be found here: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...1400&type=team ) ANALYSIS Total Drafted Players: 43 Players still on the Ravens roster: 2 . Ian Gold LB . Ben Hamilton C/G Players on other teams rosters: 15 . Ashley Lelie WR (49ers) . Clinton Portis RB (redskins) . Jeb Putzier TE (texans) . Reggie Hayward DE (jags) . Nick Harris P (lions) . Deltha O'Neal CB (bengals) . Kenoy Kennedy SAF (lions) . Cooper Carlisle G (raiders) . Mike Anderson RB (ravens) . Montae Reagor DE (eagles) . Lennie Friedman C (browns) . David Bowens LB (jets) . Desmond Clark TE (bears) . Billy Miller WR/TE (saints) . Brian Griese QB (bears) Other players of note: 1 . Al Wilson LB (first year of unemployment) Looks like even Shanahan drafts better than us, and he goes out to free agency like mad every off-season. __________________ - Mark
Posts: 4,706

10-09-2007, 08:39 AM	#15
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $6452956	Okay.. now the comparison... Chiefs drafted 35 times over these five years with 1 (3%) remaining on our roster and 7 ( 20% ) remaining on a NFL team. Ravens drafted 34 times over these five years with 3 ( 9% ) remaining on their roster and 12 (35%) remaining on a NFL team. Broncos drafted 43 times over these five years with 2 (5%) remaining on their roster and 15 (35%) remaining on a NFL team. __________________ - Mark
Posts: 4,706