KU MU T-Shirt war - Page 2

irishjayhawk · 06:44 PM

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You know what the best part of Kansas and Missouri having their best ever seasons at the very same time is? The entire nation will get exposed to what is possibly the most bitter and hateful rivalry in the country in all it's glory (or shame, if you prefer). You can have your Ohio State v. Michigan or Alabama v. Auburn, but the last time I checked nobody from Columbus ever went to Ann Arbor and systematically executed every man they could find while burning the town to the ground. And certainly nobody made t-shirts later celebrating that fact.

But that did happen in 1863 in Lawrence, KS when William Quantrill led his band of "Bushwackers" to the "Jayhawker" stronghold and went on a 4 hour rampage that would become known as the "Lawrence Massacre" - one of the ugliest episodes of the brutal 10+ years of fighting along the Kansas and Missouri border. While the Civil War has become the South v. the North in most people's minds, the fighting in fact began as a violent guerrilla conflict between the abolitionists in Kansas and the slave holding Missouri settlers (more or less, like many guerrilla campaigns there were quite blurred lines at times). In many ways, those old wounds have never quite healed - Grandpa Simpson will be be deep in the cold, cold ground before he recognizes Missour-ah as a state, for example.

Those t-shirts seen above that some Missouri fans are making for the showdown at Arrowhead in two weeks are celebrating the Lawrence Massacre and in fact have Quantrill's visage and slogan emblazoned on the back - "Raise the Black Flag and Ride Hard Boys. Our Cause is Just and Our Enemies Many". Talk about going straight past normal levels of fan behavior and making a hard right turn into loony land, that might be the single most offensive gameday t-shirt I've ever seen. Kansas fans are now responding with t-shirts sporting noted violent Kansas abolitionist John Brown (who led a massacre of his own and the 1859 Harper's Ferry raid that really kicked off the Civil War powder keg) with the slogan "Keeping America Safe From Missouri Since 1854" - a mock-up of those t-shirts can be seen here.

This game is going to be played on a neutral site at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City - home to huge parking lots for tailgating and beer sales in the stadium during the game. It's going to be for a berth in the Big XII Championship Game at the very least, and a shot at the National Championship at the most. Liquored up fans sharing the same parking lots and stadium, some who are celebrating their history of brutal violence against each other? Two fanbases who hate each other, with the chance to not only continue their own dream season but also to end the chance of glory for their rivals? Yeah, no way that doesn't end up without at least a few folks in the slammer. It's going to be a fun Saturday for the KCPD and Jackson County Sheriffs.

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Valiant · 11-13-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock

So, they're not glorifying violence, just the fact that people were killed?

Huh?

No just a lot of peoples panties in a wad.. The sole purpose of the shirt is to show Missourians kicking the shit out of Kansans and nothing more..

They are using historical fact to rile up Kansas fans which seems to be working..

Hell I bet money that a good 4th of Kansas students don't even know about the incident..

Third Eye · 11-13-2007, 12:09 AM

The level of political correctness that allows this to be a "big deal" saddens me.

kcpasco · 11-13-2007, 12:10 AM

Missourians burnt down Lawrence because your Jayhawks were out raping and killing Missouri women and children.

irishjayhawk · 11-13-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Eye

The level of political correctness that allows this to be a "big deal" saddens me.

Agreed completely!

However, it applies 10000x more to the MUCK FIZZOU hoopla. Or [insert any incarnation of that style for any team]

pikesome · 11-13-2007, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Just the logo of KU is offensive to Missouri

Lets name our school after a bunch of murderers and rapist.

Or make a shirt glorifying an attack by slavery supporters. There was a lot of bad behavior both sides, neither less guilty than the other.

kcpasco · 11-13-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pikesome

Or make a shirt glorifying an attack by slavery supporters. There was a lot of bad behavior both sides, neither less guilty than the other.

I agree

Its in the past, and no I don't like the shirt

pikesome · 11-13-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

Missourians burnt down Lawrence because your Jayhawks were out raping and killing Missouri women and children.

And that makes it all right? Let me guess you're the same kind of guy who doesn't see the bad in guys blowing themselves up on a bus in Israel. They deserved it, right?

Third Eye · 11-13-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Hell I bet money that a good 4th of Kansas students don't even know about the incident..

Considering how many people go to KU from out of state, I would imagine the number to be consiberably higher. Very few people, outside of history majors or civil war buffs, not from Missouri or Kansas have heard of Bleeding Kansas.

Silock · 11-13-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

No just a lot of peoples panties in a wad.. The sole purpose of the shirt is to show Missourians kicking the shit out of Kansans and nothing more..

They are using historical fact to rile up Kansas fans which seems to be working..

Hell I bet money that a good 4th of Kansas students don't even know about the incident..

It's not the purpose of the shirt that's stupid. It's fine to show teams beating up another team, but it's entirely different to glorify the violence behind it. It wouldn't have been okay for me to make a shirt with holocaust victims on it just because we happened to be playing Hyman Brand Hebrew Academy that week.

Valiant · 11-13-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pikesome

A slight difference, flippancy at the willful killing of others is a bit tasteless. It's kind of in the same category as showing up at a Columbine sporting event wearing a T-Shirt with two dudes in trench-coats on it and the caption "Stay Down Bitches".

Maybe if the trench-coat wearers originally were from a rival school that did the deed, and then 100 years later somebody wanted to mock it..

Seriously a smart KU fan would just make fun of them back of Missouri being so consistently bad for decades.. or use championship smack..

But to get your panties in a wad and cry is just silly, you are playing right into their hands on pissing you off..

pikesome · 11-13-2007, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Eye

Considering how many people go to KU from out of state, I would imagine the number to be consiberably higher. Very few people, outside of history majors or civil war buffs, not from Missouri or Kansas have heard of Bleeding Kansas.

That's no lie. I knew someone from St Louis in the Navy and made a pointed crack about the whole deal with the voting, massacres, the works, and we got in to a bit of a heated discussion. The others around were completely lost.

kcpasco · 11-13-2007, 12:16 AM

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And that makes it all right? Let me guess you're the same kind of guy who doesn't see the bad in guys blowing themselves up on a bus in Israel. They deserved it, right?

No I agree the shirt is classless but most people don't know the history behind it.

irishjayhawk · 11-13-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Maybe if the trench-coat wearers originally were from a rival school that did the deed, and then 100 years later somebody wanted to mock it..

Seriously a smart KU fan would just make fun of them back of Missouri been so consistently bad for decades.. or use championship smack..

But to get your panties in a wad and cry is just silly, you are playing right into their hands on pissing you off..

Don't assume that it's just KU fans who are upset or "have their panties up in a wad and cry".

Just saying.

Valiant · 11-13-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Eye

Considering how many people go to KU from out of state, I would imagine the number to be consiberably higher. Very few people, outside of history majors or civil war buffs, not from Missouri or Kansas have heard of Bleeding Kansas.

Lol I actually meant all Kansas schools.. But you are right...

jidar · 11-13-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Seriously a smart KU fan would just make fun of them back of Missouri been so consistently bad for decades.. or use championship smack..

I am certain that you are extremely under qualified to say what any smart person would do, KU fan or not.

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