KU MU T-Shirt war

[irishjayhawk]

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You know what the best part of Kansas and Missouri having their best ever seasons at the very same time is? The entire nation will get exposed to what is possibly the most bitter and hateful rivalry in the country in all it's glory (or shame, if you prefer). You can have your Ohio State v. Michigan or Alabama v. Auburn, but the last time I checked nobody from Columbus ever went to Ann Arbor and systematically executed every man they could find while burning the town to the ground. And certainly nobody made t-shirts later celebrating that fact.

But that did happen in 1863 in Lawrence, KS when William Quantrill led his band of "Bushwackers" to the "Jayhawker" stronghold and went on a 4 hour rampage that would become known as the "Lawrence Massacre" - one of the ugliest episodes of the brutal 10+ years of fighting along the Kansas and Missouri border. While the Civil War has become the South v. the North in most people's minds, the fighting in fact began as a violent guerrilla conflict between the abolitionists in Kansas and the slave holding Missouri settlers (more or less, like many guerrilla campaigns there were quite blurred lines at times). In many ways, those old wounds have never quite healed - Grandpa Simpson will be be deep in the cold, cold ground before he recognizes Missour-ah as a state, for example.

Those t-shirts seen above that some Missouri fans are making for the showdown at Arrowhead in two weeks are celebrating the Lawrence Massacre and in fact have Quantrill's visage and slogan emblazoned on the back - "Raise the Black Flag and Ride Hard Boys. Our Cause is Just and Our Enemies Many". Talk about going straight past normal levels of fan behavior and making a hard right turn into loony land, that might be the single most offensive gameday t-shirt I've ever seen. Kansas fans are now responding with t-shirts sporting noted violent Kansas abolitionist John Brown (who led a massacre of his own and the 1859 Harper's Ferry raid that really kicked off the Civil War powder keg) with the slogan "Keeping America Safe From Missouri Since 1854" - a mock-up of those t-shirts can be seen here.

This game is going to be played on a neutral site at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City - home to huge parking lots for tailgating and beer sales in the stadium during the game. It's going to be for a berth in the Big XII Championship Game at the very least, and a shot at the National Championship at the most. Liquored up fans sharing the same parking lots and stadium, some who are celebrating their history of brutal violence against each other? Two fanbases who hate each other, with the chance to not only continue their own dream season but also to end the chance of glory for their rivals? Yeah, no way that doesn't end up without at least a few folks in the slammer. It's going to be a fun Saturday for the KCPD and Jackson County Sheriffs.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...to-the-ground/

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by kcpasco

Missourians burnt down Lawrence because your Jayhawks were out raping and killing Missouri women and children.

Ding, ding, ding.

You'll find that many Kansas "historians" have selective memories when it comes to that.

They'll damn Quantrill and his bushwackers to hell, but turn a blind eye to the events leading up to the raid.

I'm not trying to justify the t-shirt at all, but history bears out that terrible acts of cruelty were commited by both sides.

I'm just sick of Kansans acting like their shit doesn't stink..........

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Cro

Lets say KU/MU beats OU in the Big XII Championship game, The winner will be in a BCS bowl obviously, but what about the Loser?

Do they go to the Holiday Bowl?

Cause if so I want OU to lose, and USC is likely going to finish 3rd in the Pac-10.

This means OU-USC in the Holiday Bowl here in San Diego...

KU wins Big 12...ought to be NC talk.
MU wins...they go to Fiesta
OU wins...Fiesta

The problem is the losers will probably get jumped by Texas for an At Large spot in a BCS bowl.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

I'm just sick of Kansans acting like their shit doesn't stink..........

We'll start just as soon as you guys quit asking for our money every time you want to build something.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

We'll start just as soon as you guys quit asking for our money every time you want to build something.

Nice.

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by Cro

Lets say KU/MU beats OU in the Big XII Championship game, The winner will be in a BCS bowl obviously, but what about the Loser?

Do they go to the Holiday Bowl?

Cause if so I want OU to lose, and USC is likely going to finish 3rd in the Pac-10.

This means OU-USC in the Holiday Bowl here in San Diego...

After a quick perusal of the Holiday Bowl Wiki page, the 2nd place Pac-10 and 3rd place Big 12 play.

[tomahawk kid]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

We'll start just as soon as you guys quit asking for our money every time you want to build something.

That's not entirely true.....

Only for stuff in the western part of the state......

[Buck]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

After a quick perusal of the Holiday Bowl Wiki page, the 2nd place Pac-10 and 3rd place Big 12 play.

Aww shucks.

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by pikesome

KU wins Big 12...ought to be NC talk.
MU wins...they go to Fiesta
OU wins...Fiesta

The problem is the losers will probably get jumped by Texas for an At Large spot in a BCS bowl.

If either KU or MU wins out, they should be in the NC game. Beating 2 top 5 BCS teams in the last two weeks should bump them up.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

After a quick perusal of the Holiday Bowl Wiki page, the 2nd place Pac-10 and 3rd place Big 12 play.

I thought that, with the exception of the champ, none of the Big 12 teams are set for a spot, they're available for at-large but that's based on being invited by that bowl.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

If either KU or MU wins out, they should be in the NC game. Beating 2 top 5 BCS teams in the last two weeks should bump them up.

MU has that one loss though, I can't see them getting the nod over LSU and/or Oregon. I'm actually somewhat concerned that an undefeated KU wouldn't play for a NC, the jock straps of LSU and Oregon are mighty crowded.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by pikesome

I thought that, with the exception of the champ, none of the Big 12 teams are set for a spot, they're available for at-large but that's based on being invited by that bowl.

My dream Holiday Bowl would be OU or UT vs. USC...even MU or KU vs. USC would do.

And if its either of those teams, and you come out here, see ya at the game.

[pikesome]

Originally Posted by Cro

My dream Holiday Bowl would be OU or UT vs. USC...even MU or KU vs. USC would do.

And if its either of those teams, and you come out here, see ya at the game.

I know you like it but if I never have to go to SD again, good. I wasn't fond of it the many, many times my ship stopped there to get planes. Just as I'm sure you would grow tired, quickly, of Kansas.

[Buck]

Originally Posted by pikesome

I know you like it but if I never have to go to SD again, good. I wasn't fond of it the many, many times my ship stopped there to get planes. Just as I'm sure you would grow tired, quickly, of Kansas.

If you are used to whatever it is that Kansas has, then yeah I guess. I bet if you stayed here for a long time you'd realize how laid back it is for a big city. Then again, I could be wrong.

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by pikesome

MU has that one loss though, I can't see them getting the nod over LSU and/or Oregon. I'm actually somewhat concerned that an undefeated KU wouldn't play for a NC, the jock straps of LSU and Oregon are mighty crowded.

Yes, but LSU's loss was to Kentucky at home, and Oregon's was to Cal at home. MU's was in Norman and to a team ranked higher than either of the other two.

[Frazod]

Oh I have got to get one of those shirts!