KU MU T-Shirt war - Page 8

irishjayhawk · 06:44 PM

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You know what the best part of Kansas and Missouri having their best ever seasons at the very same time is? The entire nation will get exposed to what is possibly the most bitter and hateful rivalry in the country in all it's glory (or shame, if you prefer). You can have your Ohio State v. Michigan or Alabama v. Auburn, but the last time I checked nobody from Columbus ever went to Ann Arbor and systematically executed every man they could find while burning the town to the ground. And certainly nobody made t-shirts later celebrating that fact.

But that did happen in 1863 in Lawrence, KS when William Quantrill led his band of "Bushwackers" to the "Jayhawker" stronghold and went on a 4 hour rampage that would become known as the "Lawrence Massacre" - one of the ugliest episodes of the brutal 10+ years of fighting along the Kansas and Missouri border. While the Civil War has become the South v. the North in most people's minds, the fighting in fact began as a violent guerrilla conflict between the abolitionists in Kansas and the slave holding Missouri settlers (more or less, like many guerrilla campaigns there were quite blurred lines at times). In many ways, those old wounds have never quite healed - Grandpa Simpson will be be deep in the cold, cold ground before he recognizes Missour-ah as a state, for example.

Those t-shirts seen above that some Missouri fans are making for the showdown at Arrowhead in two weeks are celebrating the Lawrence Massacre and in fact have Quantrill's visage and slogan emblazoned on the back - "Raise the Black Flag and Ride Hard Boys. Our Cause is Just and Our Enemies Many". Talk about going straight past normal levels of fan behavior and making a hard right turn into loony land, that might be the single most offensive gameday t-shirt I've ever seen. Kansas fans are now responding with t-shirts sporting noted violent Kansas abolitionist John Brown (who led a massacre of his own and the 1859 Harper's Ferry raid that really kicked off the Civil War powder keg) with the slogan "Keeping America Safe From Missouri Since 1854" - a mock-up of those t-shirts can be seen here.

This game is going to be played on a neutral site at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City - home to huge parking lots for tailgating and beer sales in the stadium during the game. It's going to be for a berth in the Big XII Championship Game at the very least, and a shot at the National Championship at the most. Liquored up fans sharing the same parking lots and stadium, some who are celebrating their history of brutal violence against each other? Two fanbases who hate each other, with the chance to not only continue their own dream season but also to end the chance of glory for their rivals? Yeah, no way that doesn't end up without at least a few folks in the slammer. It's going to be a fun Saturday for the KCPD and Jackson County Sheriffs.

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/...to-the-ground/

Chiefs Pantalones · 11-13-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

Is that what the ones at KU look like for real?

OmahaChief · 11-13-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GRCOAT

I thought you were a Miami fan?

Without a doubt I am a Miami fan. You see I have my MBA from UM and my undergrad from MU. It is not like you are revealing some deep dark secret that I don't want anyone to know.

Thanks for paying so close attention to my history on ChiefsPlanet. It is comforting knowing someone is so concerned with the teams I follow.

Frazod · 11-13-2007, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by banyon

That's awesome.

Eleazar · 11-13-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

Without a doubt I am a Miami fan. You see I have my MBA from UM and my undergrad from MU. It is not like you are revealing some deep dark secret that I don't want anyone to know.

Thanks for paying so close attention to my history on ChiefsPlanet. It is comforting knowing someone is so concerned with the teams I follow.

Since you attended both institutions I don't think yours is a pedigree as a fan that should be in doubt.

Most of the people who cheer for any college team didn't go to school there. Many, like me, become fans because of a family tradition with that team or the simple fact of cheering for the home team. As long as you aren't a johnny-come-lately, so what?

ROYC75 · 11-13-2007, 02:55 PM

For anybody wanting to know more about the pre civil war border wars between Ks and Mo.... Go here, a good read.....http://www.legendsofamerica.com/OZ-BleedingKansas.html

Mr. Plow · 11-13-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

Hears to KU winning again this weekend and then getting exposed for the frauds you are at Arrowhead.

Making the assumption that KU does lose to MU.......since when is #4 losing to #5 being "exposed".

Rooster · 11-13-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Making the assumption that KU does lose to MU.......since when is #4 losing to #5 being "exposed".

No kidding. It's not as if KU or Mizzou have a strong football history. Just enjoy the ride and pinch me when it's done.

teedubya · 11-13-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tomahawk kid

Ding, ding, ding.

You'll find that many Kansas "historians" have selective memories when it comes to that.

They'll damn Quantrill and his bushwackers to hell, but turn a blind eye to the events leading up to the raid.

I'm not trying to justify the t-shirt at all, but history bears out that terrible acts of cruelty were commited by both sides.

I'm just sick of Kansans acting like their shit doesn't stink..........

Thats what you get for wanting to keep slaves. You all are lazy.

teedubya · 11-13-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Aw shucks, and this comes from Ari, the class of the KU fan base. How will we ever go on?

I'm surprised Missouri was even able to move forward in the world post Civil War, with all of your lazy ass ancestors, Cocheese.

tomahawk kid · 11-13-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

No kidding. It's not as if KU or Mizzou have a strong football history. Just enjoy the ride and pinch me when it's done.

Um..dude, you really need to do some homework there.

I'm not saying there's been much in the last 25 years or so, but saying that neither institution has a strong football history is a bit strong.

cosmo20002 · 11-13-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

Seriously unless you start petitioning to get KU name changed you are a hypocrite.. The Jayhawker name alone is an atrocity..

Like I said before panties in a wad...

It was all bad stuff, no matter who did what to whom. However, one side was fighting for keeping people as slaves, the other side was against it. I think more people would defend the latter. Kansas wins.

Spott · 11-13-2007, 04:17 PM

I think a lot of people didn't pay much attention to history when they were in school. The last I checked, Missouri wasn't part of the confederacy. Kansas also attempted to become a slave state but was it was blocked by congress in the 1850's.

Mr. Plow · 11-13-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

It was all bad stuff, no matter who did what to whom. However, one side was fighting for keeping people as slaves, the other side was against it. I think more people would defend the latter. Kansas wins.

I think the whole Missouri slavery thing is a bit overblown. The whites were only trying to find reliable employee's for the porn & fireworks stores.

Eleazar · 11-13-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunRunPassPunt

I'm surprised Missouri was even able to move forward in the world post Civil War, with all of your lazy ass ancestors, Cocheese.

I don't think my family was here until after the civil war. But regardless, it would seem that Missouri has progressed fine, considering we have... I dunno... major cities... professional sports... a lot of modern kind of stuff. There's a big airport over here on the MO side, and they build buildings here TEN stories tall. Sometimes even taller. It's something to see. You guys are all welcome to come over to Missouri and visit it if you like. We welcome everyone.

Say, I was wondering, are you going to go in and out of Arrowhead during the game depending on if the team you want to win is ahead, like you do in the game threads...? You might want to pick up a few extra tickets...

tomahawk kid · 11-13-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott

I think a lot of people didn't pay much attention to history when they were in school. The last I checked, Missouri wasn't part of the confederacy. Kansas also attempted to become a slave state but was it was blocked by congress in the 1850's.

Actually, a good chunk of Missourians were unionists.

However, many flocked to the Confederate cause after repeated raids by the jayhawkers under the guise of the union army.

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