Trade Offer - Page 2

RP_McMurphy · 12-10-2007, 09:34 AM

Playing Shack Harris (Jaguars GM) for awhile. Here's a trade offer to the Chiefs. Jaguars starting tackle Khalif Barnes (2005 second rounder from Oregon) for the Chiefs 2nd round pick. Barnes is a quality tackle but has had some off the field issues and appears to be tired of Jax and Jax tired of him. He would help start the rebuilding effort for the Chiefs and start from day one in Kansas City. If I were the Chiefs I would still draft a offensive lineman in the first round to go with Barnes and that would give them a great start at rebuilding their offensive line (I am one that believes that NFL games are won and lost up front). For the Jaguars with their first rounder I would draft a Defensive End and with either of their second rounders I would pick up a tackle and with the other I would go with a strong safety.

RP_McMurphy · 12-10-2007, 10:05 AM

Maurice Williams is ok but seems to have lost some speed over the last few years. Tony Pashos has taken over his spot and done alot better for the Jaguars. If you can get him for a decent cap number I would go for it. He's more of a run blocker than a pass blocker at this point.

RedThat · 12-10-2007, 10:07 AM

I'd rather have the Chiefs keep the 2nd round pick.

RP_McMurphy · 12-10-2007, 10:09 AM

Gonna sweeten this pot some more..........want that high second. I'll thrown in the Jaguars extra fifth rounder.....basically three players for one.

ChiefsCountry · 12-10-2007, 10:17 AM

You are way overvaluing Barnes dude.

Chiefs_5627 · 12-10-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

You are way overvaluing Barnes dude.

Agreed, he's basically clinging to, "well we spent a 2nd, so he's gotta be worth about that".

**MahiMike** · 12-10-2007, 10:54 AM

fugetaboudit!

Valiant · 12-10-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RP_McMurphy

Fourth rounder.........you been smoking with Ricky and Travis? A quality NFL tackle for a second rounder doesn't come around much.

But they do if you want to get rid of him.. It is a buyers market with the way the league is structured now with trades.. Look at randy and some of the other deals.. first day picks are worth a ton, if we couldn't get a 1st for LJ last year what makes you think you can get a 2nd..

Unless you find a really stupid team like the niners..

RP_McMurphy · 12-10-2007, 11:34 AM

Guess you guys don't want a starting NFL tackle. Let me know how that current offensive line is working for you guys. How many broken down quarterbacks and running backs do you guys have now?

**RealSNR** · 12-10-2007, 11:37 AM

We'll trade you Boomer Grigsby for Barnes. How about that? Is that fair?

He does a mean radio show...

HolmeZz · 12-10-2007, 11:37 AM

Barnes was taken in the 2nd round and hasn't maintained that value.

SBK · 12-10-2007, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RP_McMurphy

Guess you guys don't want a starting NFL tackle. Let me know how that current offensive line is working for you guys. How many broken down quarterbacks and running backs do you guys have now?

How bout this trade. We'll send you Kyle Turley, Chris Terry and Kris Wilson and you can send us Maurice Jones-Drew and Reggie Nelson. We'll even throw in the conditional 7th round pick we got for Sims too. Seems to make sense to me.

RP_McMurphy · 12-10-2007, 11:40 AM

Nope.......but well take Jared Allen in free agency after Carl has mismanaged his CAP room to the point where he can't sign Allen even with a franchise tag (I see the only way to get Allen under CAP is to get rid of LJ or Gonzalez).

ChiefsCountry · 12-10-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RP_McMurphy

Nope.......but well take Jared Allen in free agency after Carl has mismanaged his CAP room to the point where he can't sign Allen even with a franchise tag (I see the only way to get Allen under CAP is to get rid of LJ or Gonzalez).

You do know the Chiefs have plenty of cap room this year so you can kiss that dream bye bye.

Extra Point · 12-10-2007, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

Chances are we're going to end up with a top 5 choice, and that means all our rounds choices will be bumped up that high. Giving up a 2nd rounder for him won't happen. No reason to give up a high choice with the prospect of getting a younger, possibly more talented, and cap-friendlier prospect.

This team isn't a few pieces away, so stick with drafting BPA through the draft, and pick up need players thru FA- even if you have to pay a bit more on the open market. For example, a guy like Lilja, KC native, is a 4 year vet and only 26. It's fairly safe to assume that he's got a min. of 8 solid years in him, but still enough that would make any contract he signs be worth it and just as he's entering his "prime" years.

I'd be more than willing to pay up for him b/c you know you've got a quality addition. With the roster turnover that should happen, paying a little more for sure bet FA's is worth it b/c the number of younger guys coming in will free up some cap space.

Good stuff. Agreed.

HolmeZz · 12-10-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RP_McMurphy

Nope.......but well take Jared Allen in free agency after Carl has mismanaged his CAP room to the point where he can't sign Allen even with a franchise tag (I see the only way to get Allen under CAP is to get rid of LJ or Gonzalez).

They have plenty of room to sign Allen, n00b.

12-10-2007, 09:34 AM
RP_McMurphy Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Excelsior Springs, Mo Casino cash: $10004900	Trade Offer Playing Shack Harris (Jaguars GM) for awhile. Here's a trade offer to the Chiefs. Jaguars starting tackle Khalif Barnes (2005 second rounder from Oregon) for the Chiefs 2nd round pick. Barnes is a quality tackle but has had some off the field issues and appears to be tired of Jax and Jax tired of him. He would help start the rebuilding effort for the Chiefs and start from day one in Kansas City. If I were the Chiefs I would still draft a offensive lineman in the first round to go with Barnes and that would give them a great start at rebuilding their offensive line (I am one that believes that NFL games are won and lost up front). For the Jaguars with their first rounder I would draft a Defensive End and with either of their second rounders I would pick up a tackle and with the other I would go with a strong safety.
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12-10-2007, 10:05 AM	#16
RP_McMurphy Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Excelsior Springs, Mo Casino cash: $10004900	Maurice Williams is ok but seems to have lost some speed over the last few years. Tony Pashos has taken over his spot and done alot better for the Jaguars. If you can get him for a decent cap number I would go for it. He's more of a run blocker than a pass blocker at this point. __________________ United States Navy December 3rd, 1986- December 31st, 2006 USS Brumby (FF-1044) June 87- March 89 USS Nicholson (DD-982) May 89-February 90 USS Elmer Montgomery (FF-1082) February 90-February 92 Naval War College April 92-July 95 USS Gettysburg (CG-64) October 95- January 00 Fleet Training Center Mayport January 00-October 00 USS Nassau (LHA-4) October 00-October 02 Naval Reserve Center Kansas City January 03- January 06 USNS Pecos (T-AO 197) February 06- December 06
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12-10-2007, 10:07 AM	#17
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I'd rather have the Chiefs keep the 2nd round pick.
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12-10-2007, 10:09 AM	#18
RP_McMurphy Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Excelsior Springs, Mo Casino cash: $10004900	Gonna sweeten this pot some more..........want that high second. I'll thrown in the Jaguars extra fifth rounder.....basically three players for one. __________________ United States Navy December 3rd, 1986- December 31st, 2006 USS Brumby (FF-1044) June 87- March 89 USS Nicholson (DD-982) May 89-February 90 USS Elmer Montgomery (FF-1082) February 90-February 92 Naval War College April 92-July 95 USS Gettysburg (CG-64) October 95- January 00 Fleet Training Center Mayport January 00-October 00 USS Nassau (LHA-4) October 00-October 02 Naval Reserve Center Kansas City January 03- January 06 USNS Pecos (T-AO 197) February 06- December 06
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12-10-2007, 10:17 AM	#19
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1651248	You are way overvaluing Barnes dude.
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12-10-2007, 11:34 AM	#23
RP_McMurphy Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Excelsior Springs, Mo Casino cash: $10004900	Guess you guys don't want a starting NFL tackle. Let me know how that current offensive line is working for you guys. How many broken down quarterbacks and running backs do you guys have now? __________________ United States Navy December 3rd, 1986- December 31st, 2006 USS Brumby (FF-1044) June 87- March 89 USS Nicholson (DD-982) May 89-February 90 USS Elmer Montgomery (FF-1082) February 90-February 92 Naval War College April 92-July 95 USS Gettysburg (CG-64) October 95- January 00 Fleet Training Center Mayport January 00-October 00 USS Nassau (LHA-4) October 00-October 02 Naval Reserve Center Kansas City January 03- January 06 USNS Pecos (T-AO 197) February 06- December 06
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12-10-2007, 11:37 AM	#24
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1594792	We'll trade you Boomer Grigsby for Barnes. How about that? Is that fair? He does a mean radio show...
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12-10-2007, 11:37 AM	#25
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Barnes was taken in the 2nd round and hasn't maintained that value.
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12-10-2007, 11:40 AM	#27
RP_McMurphy Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Excelsior Springs, Mo Casino cash: $10004900	Nope.......but well take Jared Allen in free agency after Carl has mismanaged his CAP room to the point where he can't sign Allen even with a franchise tag (I see the only way to get Allen under CAP is to get rid of LJ or Gonzalez). __________________ United States Navy December 3rd, 1986- December 31st, 2006 USS Brumby (FF-1044) June 87- March 89 USS Nicholson (DD-982) May 89-February 90 USS Elmer Montgomery (FF-1082) February 90-February 92 Naval War College April 92-July 95 USS Gettysburg (CG-64) October 95- January 00 Fleet Training Center Mayport January 00-October 00 USS Nassau (LHA-4) October 00-October 02 Naval Reserve Center Kansas City January 03- January 06 USNS Pecos (T-AO 197) February 06- December 06
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