Brodie Croyle is the man! Just get him an O-line. - Page 2

Kris Kringle · 12-10-2007, 01:22 PM

That's the priority for '08. We've not seen much of him, but from what I've seen, Brodie is the man. He'll be a good QB for us. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire in '08. But, he can be a top 15 QB in '08 and grow into a better QB in '09 and beyond. For Herm's style of offense, that's good enough. But, he'll need an O-line. Carl and Herm need to get Brodie an O-line. I think Brodie can floursih with and O-line to protect him and give him some time to throw and a good dose of confidence. Here's my plan. It's not brain surgery. It's obvious.

1. Draft the best LT possible
2. Move McIntosh to RT
3. Move Niswanger to C
5. Keep Waters where he's at
6. Sign the best OG possible from FA
7. Trade or cut Weigman, Turley, Terry, and Wellbourn
8. Let Svitek compete for backup RT / LT in training camp, if he doesn't step up his game, cut his ass

I think the Chiefs will have to use 1st round or 2nd round draft picks for O-linemen over the next 3 NFL drafts. This will be a long term project. I think the O-line is the most important componant on the filed. The O-line, as a unit, is more important than even a QB in my book. We need to invest in and pursue a top 5 O-line. The offense and even the defense will benefit from it.

Sorry for the football thread. We can all now return to the poop threads.

kaplin42 · 12-10-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

I don't think anyone here has done that.

Read the OP again.

RustShack · 12-10-2007, 01:52 PM

Go back and watch all the great QB's play in their first season behind a better line that what Croyle has. Then tell me Croyle can't ever be good.

tooge · 12-10-2007, 02:03 PM

I was gonna post something, but I have no interest in posting about the chiefs right now, sorry. Anyone have a good poop today?

**RealSNR** · 12-10-2007, 02:11 PM

Something tells me that even with Peyton Manning back there and a good Oline, QB wouldn't be the most necessary position on the team.

I hate to be a nazi that rags on the playcalling, but it's definitely half the battle. Look at last year where we could've had a lot more success on offense than we did. That's proof.

RustShack · 12-10-2007, 02:28 PM

You seen how Huard did last year behind an alright line, you seen how he did this year behind a piss poor line.

Chief Faithful · 12-10-2007, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by talastan

I think that until we get an NFL quality O-Line we won't be able to do anything with the QB position. I personally believe having seen Croyle play in the SEC that he has the tools and the leadership abilities to take this team to the Super Bowl. That's my opinion. I understand that others may not share the same thoughts and that's fine, but to draft a first round QB with a top five pick is ridiculous at this point w/o a decent O-Line for them to play behind. The answer is going to have to be pickup O-Line positions in the first day, maybe a CB. Then see if we need to pick up any FA's The more we spend on a top five QB the less we'll have for FA to use to get some immediate needs filled in the O-line. JMO

One problem with that thinking; once you have an NFL quality OLine mediocre QB's become good enough to keep you from ever getting a shot at that top 5 QB. That is a recipe to be good enough for the playoffs, but not the SB.

Question is there really a top 5 QB quality available when they pick? If so, take him you won't get another chance once the OLine is set. What blows the curve are players like Brady, Farve, and Montana. What people on this BB are hoping is that Croyle will be another curve breaker. Until Croyle proves he is the answer if the Chiefs get a chance at a top 5 QB they need to take him over an LT.

Kylo Ren · 12-10-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kaplin42

Read the OP again.

"He'll be a good QB for us. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire in '08. But, he can be a top 15 QB in '08 and grow into a better QB in '09 and beyond." -- Is this what you mean?

FAX · 12-10-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kris Kringle

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1. Draft the best LT possible
2. Move McIntosh to RT
3. Move Niswanger to C
5. Keep Waters where he's at
6. Sign the best OG possible from FA
7. Trade or cut Weigman, Turley, Terry, and Wellbourn
8. Let Svitek compete for backup RT / LT in training camp, if he doesn't step up his game, cut his ass

...

I would modify this only slightly, Mr. Kris Kringle. If available, acquire the LT via FA or trade. Then draft the OG. I continue to worry about lack of experience at the LT position.

FAX

kaplin42 · 12-10-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

"He'll be a good QB for us. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire in '08. But, he can be a top 15 QB in '08 and grow into a better QB in '09 and beyond." -- Is this what you mean?

Well, there is the thread title. And then there is...

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Originally Posted by Kris Kringle

That's the priority for '08. We've not seen much of him, but from what I've seen, Brodie is the man

Again, I'm all for giving the kid his shot. Maybe next year with a half way decent line, he can be good. Hell even if he shows some promise next year I would be happy. But to say that he is the man, and jump on the ball washing train of a kid who hasn't shown jack shit is a bit much.

Kylo Ren · 12-10-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I would modify this only slightly, Mr. Kris Kringle. If available, acquire the LT via FA or trade. Then draft the OG. I continue to worry about lack of experience at the LT position.

FAX

Although I disagree, you make a valid point.

Ho, Ho, Ho!!

FAX · 12-10-2007, 02:51 PM

I think this whole debate is kind of funny. What do you want in a QB? I mean really?

1. A guy who can make all the necessary throws.
2. A guy who is mobile enough to make a play when needed.
3. A guy who can establish himself as a leader among his teammates.
4. A guy who keeps his cool and doesn't fluster.
5. A guy who can take punishment, dust off, and go back to work.
6. A guy smart enough to learn a playbook and read defenses.

Anything else? Personally, I think Croyle has all those characteristics. But, am I missing something?

FAX

Kylo Ren · 12-10-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaplin42

Well, there is the thread title. And then there is...

Again, I'm all for giving the kid his shot. Maybe next year with a half way decent line, he can be good. Hell even if he shows some promise next year I would be happy. But to say that he is the man, and jump on the ball washing train of a kid who hasn't shown jack shit is a bit much.

Yes. He's "the man" for this team. But, I didn't intend to say he's "the king" or anthing like that. Basically, I'm saying he's worth the risk. He mail fail or succeed, but he's good enough to gamble and give him a shot.

**The Franchise** · 12-10-2007, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

I think this whole debate is kind of funny. What do you want in a QB? I mean really?

1. A guy who can make all the necessary throws.
2. A guy who is mobile enough to make a play when needed.
3. A guy who can establish himself as a leader among his teammates.
4. A guy who keeps his cool and doesn't fluster.
5. A guy who can take punishment, dust off, and go back to work.
6. A guy smart enough to learn a playbook and read defenses.
7. A guy who has a hot ass wife.

Anything else? Personally, I think Croyle has all those characteristics. But, am I missing something?

FAX

FYP

kcxiv · 12-10-2007, 03:00 PM

I bet we trade down if the Oline guy isnt there that they want. If they traded down and Colt is there. I wouldnt be mad.

HypnotizedMonkey · 12-10-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunther_Fan

Has there ever been a Brodie thread without Kelli's name coming up? NTTIAWWT

She IS the better half. lol

12-10-2007, 01:22 PM
Kris Kringle Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $10004900	Brodie Croyle is the man! Just get him an O-line. That's the priority for '08. We've not seen much of him, but from what I've seen, Brodie is the man. He'll be a good QB for us. I'm not saying he'll set the world on fire in '08. But, he can be a top 15 QB in '08 and grow into a better QB in '09 and beyond. For Herm's style of offense, that's good enough. But, he'll need an O-line. Carl and Herm need to get Brodie an O-line. I think Brodie can floursih with and O-line to protect him and give him some time to throw and a good dose of confidence. Here's my plan. It's not brain surgery. It's obvious. 1. Draft the best LT possible 2. Move McIntosh to RT 3. Move Niswanger to C 5. Keep Waters where he's at 6. Sign the best OG possible from FA 7. Trade or cut Weigman, Turley, Terry, and Wellbourn 8. Let Svitek compete for backup RT / LT in training camp, if he doesn't step up his game, cut his ass I think the Chiefs will have to use 1st round or 2nd round draft picks for O-linemen over the next 3 NFL drafts. This will be a long term project. I think the O-line is the most important componant on the filed. The O-line, as a unit, is more important than even a QB in my book. We need to invest in and pursue a top 5 O-line. The offense and even the defense will benefit from it. Sorry for the football thread. We can all now return to the poop threads.
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12-10-2007, 01:52 PM	#17
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3036954	Go back and watch all the great QB's play in their first season behind a better line that what Croyle has. Then tell me Croyle can't ever be good. __________________
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12-10-2007, 02:03 PM	#18
tooge MVP Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Liberty, MO Casino cash: $574112	I was gonna post something, but I have no interest in posting about the chiefs right now, sorry. Anyone have a good poop today?
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12-10-2007, 02:11 PM	#19
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1584792	Something tells me that even with Peyton Manning back there and a good Oline, QB wouldn't be the most necessary position on the team. I hate to be a nazi that rags on the playcalling, but it's definitely half the battle. Look at last year where we could've had a lot more success on offense than we did. That's proof.
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12-10-2007, 02:28 PM	#20
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3036954	You seen how Huard did last year behind an alright line, you seen how he did this year behind a piss poor line. __________________
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12-10-2007, 02:51 PM	#26
FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	I think this whole debate is kind of funny. What do you want in a QB? I mean really? 1. A guy who can make all the necessary throws. 2. A guy who is mobile enough to make a play when needed. 3. A guy who can establish himself as a leader among his teammates. 4. A guy who keeps his cool and doesn't fluster. 5. A guy who can take punishment, dust off, and go back to work. 6. A guy smart enough to learn a playbook and read defenses. Anything else? Personally, I think Croyle has all those characteristics. But, am I missing something? FAX
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12-10-2007, 03:00 PM	#29
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8697996	I bet we trade down if the Oline guy isnt there that they want. If they traded down and Colt is there. I wouldnt be mad.
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