Chiefs Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time - Page 8

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 11:14 AM

After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

Dave

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

I'm talking about the skill positions: QB, WR, RB, TE

Santana Moss
Antwaan Randle-El
Chris Cooley
Clinton Portis

Plenty of talent to be ranked better than 21st in scoring offense.

Saunders is about as overrated as they come in the NFL. The guy's entire resume as an OC is what he did in Kansas City when Roaf was here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Put down the crack pipe dude. DC has a hideous offense and the players are pitiful.

Dave

WHAT???? W.T.F??

Santana Moss
Antwaan Randle El
Chris Samuels
Pete Kendall
Casey Rabach
Jason Fabini
Todd Wade
Chris Cooley
Todd Collins
Mike Sellars
Clinton Portis

Hideous? Are you out of your mind? How about additional players like Ladell Betts, Mark Brunell, James Thrash, Reche Caldwell and Keenan McCardell?

The Redskins have better receivers, a TE that's just a notch below TG, a solid offensive line, two very good running backs in Betts and Portis, and two very serviceable QB's (Campbell's out for the year).

Where's the "hideous" on that roster? "Hideous" is Kyle Turley, Will Svitek, Damien McIntosh and John Welbourne. Oh, and Samie Parker.

Messier · 12-17-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by a1na2

Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time

Because we are stupid and can't see that he is a moron that cannot coach in the NFL but want to give him another year or two to make his plan come to fruition.

Thanks for your detailed, in depth analysis.

Fish · 12-17-2007, 09:39 PM

Wow Dave..... wow.....

**HemiEd** · 12-17-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

Bob Gretz is that You?? Where are these talented players you speak of-oh yeah

Tank N Turk the Ultimate QB destroyers!!!!

Herm is a draft Genius!

a1na2 · 12-17-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Thanks for your detailed, in depth analysis.

Missed the point eh?

We do not need to give Hermit more time. He has proven over the past two years that all he can do is tear down an offense and only make some improvement in the defense.

I'm sure others can do as well on defense and also make some strides with the offense.

The biggest strides we can make on offense is to use the talent we have instead of being afraid to score points.

**HemiEd** · 12-17-2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Mac

Ever wonder how this same lousy Oline somehow managed to block one of the top defensive lines last Sunday? They finally grew tired of being thrown under the bus and they played with some heart, desire and pride. A great coach will bring that out in his players every Sunday. There is talent on this team, there isnt enough heart,desire and belief on this team and that falls directly on the coach(s).

I could not agree with you more, well said.

**Easy 6** · 12-17-2007, 09:59 PM

I've been wrong before...but you can bet Herm will be kept for year 3 of his 4 year contract, yet that will be it without a Break-Through year...Clark is young, but considering his family upbringing...he's a Very smart guy, he knows Chiefs fans deserve & expect more.

IMO, Herm deserves that 3rd year...he thought NY was bad!!?, he walked into a BOILING FURNACE here...he will get 1 more year to fix it & then, if not, i to will ****Officialy**** Jump Ship.

Lets just get behind this Croyle kid, 2 picks Be Damned, nit-picking Be Damned...Brodie has the Right Stuff.

**MahiMike** · 12-17-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Give us a realistic alternative to Herm

Elmer Fudd

**Dave Lane** · 12-17-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

WHAT???? W.T.F??

Antwaan Randle El
Chris Samuels

Those are the only players I'll give you the rest are basically Todd Collins bad, Like Synder likes to do there are names on the list of those that were good once but not now.

Dave

Messier · 12-17-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by a1na2

Missed the point eh?

We do not need to give Hermit more time. He has proven over the past two years that all he can do is tear down an offense and only make some improvement in the defense.

I'm sure others can do as well on defense and also make some strides with the offense.

The biggest strides we can make on offense is to use the talent we have instead of being afraid to score points.

Oh I got your point. You hate Herm. You never liked Herm. herm is evil. EVILLLLLLL!!!!!

Coach · 12-17-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Oh I got your point. You hate Herm. You never liked Herm. herm is evil. EVILLLLLLL!!!!!

Not evil. Just a plain ol idiot with a half of a brain.

a1na2 · 12-17-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Oh I got your point. You hate Herm. You never liked Herm. herm is evil. EVILLLLLLL!!!!!

You are wrong, I don't hate Hermit. I am not appreciative of what he has done to my team. He could be evil, but it's what he did to the team.

Hammock Parties · 12-17-2007, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by a1na2

You are wrong, I don't hate Hermit. I am not appreciative of what he has done to my team. He could be evil, but it's what he did to the team.

And guess who wanted Herm to be the head coach?

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-17-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Those are the only players I'll give you the rest are basically Todd Collins bad, Like Synder likes to do there are names on the list of those that were good once but not now.

Dave

Whatever. You CLEARLY don't know WTF you're talking about.

Chris Cooley is an elite TE/H Back. Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts are equal to or better than Johnson and Smith. The receiving core of Moss, Thrash & Randle El blow away Bowe, Parker and Webb.

And the O-line is far, far superior as a unit.

So why hasn't Saunders been able to turn them into an elite unit and what in the world makes you think that with THIS talent, the Chiefs would still be Top 5?

You're nuts.

12-17-2007, 11:14 AM
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this. Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures: Tom Bettis - 1977 Frank Gansz - 1987-1988 Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000 Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977 John Mackovic - 1983-1986 Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past. Dave
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-242225	I've been wrong before...but you can bet Herm will be kept for year 3 of his 4 year contract, yet that will be it without a Break-Through year...Clark is young, but considering his family upbringing...he's a Very smart guy, he knows Chiefs fans deserve & expect more. IMO, Herm deserves that 3rd year...he thought NY was bad!!?, he walked into a BOILING FURNACE here...he will get 1 more year to fix it & then, if not, i to will **Officialy** Jump Ship. Lets just get behind this Croyle kid, 2 picks Be Damned, nit-picking Be Damned...Brodie has the Right Stuff.
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