Explain to me why we need to give Herm more time

[Dave Lane]

After seeing my worst fears come true in Herm with the Jetsification of the Chiefs (a top 5 draft pick) and the destruction of a team. I wonder in this microwave world of instant gratification how is it we cling to the notion 2 years doesn't set a trend especially giving his previous body of work. So I thought well surely 2 years must be handed out like candy in the past to any head coach and then it occurred to me to check the Chiefs history to confirm this.

Chiefs Head Coaches with shortest tenures:

Tom Bettis - 1977
Frank Gansz - 1987-1988
Gunther Cunningham - 1999-2000
Paul Wiggin - 1975-1977
John Mackovic - 1983-1986

Thats half of the Chiefs Head Coaches in the history of this team. 3 of them are 2 years or less. So in the present world why not cut ties with Herm. Actually excluding Herm 33% of Chiefs coaches have had a tenure of 2 years or less. And yes I know Bettis is a bad choice. Still 2 years of Herm like performance has cost coaches their jobs in the past.

Dave

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well he's dealing with Carl Peterson who doesn't want to rebuild at all.....this team tried to do a halfass rebuild because Peterson doesn't want a full one...

And this is what we got....

Well, I partly agree, but also disagree as well. When was the last O-lineman that Herm actually drafted in the first two rounds, in his time in NY.

Oh, that's right. Zero.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Coach

Well, I partly agree, but also disagree as well. When was the last O-lineman that Herm actually drafted in the first two rounds, in his time in NY.

Oh, that's right. Zero.

Well only 1 of NE's Olineman was taken in the 1st 2 rounds.....it's not a requirement or anything.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Like I said though...what do you expect them to do? Numerous teams go into years fully knowing they may be bad that year and maybe even the next couple of years.

I very much like the idea of building a young team that can give us a solid foundation for the next decade. And I, for one, am willing to take the pain associated with that effort, Mr. Mecca. I've been very consistent about that.

But remember that Herm has also repeatedly said that this team/season has not met his expectations. You can't have it both ways - unless you're Herm, I suppose. Either you expected to be better or you didn't. Frankly, if he perceived that this kind of season was even a remote possibility (and remember also that Herm has said this was one possible outcome he predicted as far back as the off-season), he could have and should have made changes early on to forestall the problems the organization is facing.

As far as what could have been done, there are so many specific examples of changes he could have made and that were available to him before kickoff number one, I honestly don't want to list them all.

FAX

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Buffalo has more talent than we do........even with their 15 guys on IR. They have a lot more when their team is healthy, just no one really notices.

That's becuase the coaching staff in Buffalo have done a good job, despite 15 guys on IR.

That's a testament on how a fine job they done.

We only have what, 6-7 guys on IR? None of them are what you consider "starters"

The only major injury on a starter was Larry Johnson, and for some unknown reason, he's not on the IR.

[Mecca]

Oh that is lip service shit no question. I can see why Carl wants to be 8-8 every year there are a lot of fans in this town that can't even take 1 bad year, let alone 2 or 3.

[FAX]

You don't have to be a dick, Mr. Mecca.

A lot of people are willing to take the losses associated with a "rebuild". No question about it. But, why make it more difficult than it has to be?

FAX

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by FAX

You don't have to be a dick, Mr. Mecca.

A lot of people are willing to take the losses associated with a "rebuild". No question about it. But, why make it more difficult than it has to be?

FAX

It was more a general comment than being a dick to you......look at how people react in general in the city after this year......

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Coach

That's becuase the coaching staff in Buffalo have done a good job, despite 15 guys on IR.

That's a testament on how a fine job they done.

We only have what, 6-7 guys on IR? None of them are what you consider "starters"

The only major injury on a starter was Larry Johnson, and for some unknown reason, he's not on the IR.

But they still have a base.......the Chiefs really don't have much to compete with Lee Evans, Jason Peters, Derrick Dockery Donte Whitner and so forth.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Well only 1 of NE's Olineman was taken in the 1st 2 rounds.....it's not a requirement or anything.

Yes, but I'm talking about the draft in whole.

2005 - 0 O-lineman
2004 - 1 O-lineman in the 6th round
2003 - 1 O-lineman in the 7th round
2002 - 1 O-lineman in the 5th round
2001 - 1 O-lineman in the 3rd round

No wonder why their QB's were dropping like flies.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mecca

But they still have a base.......the Chiefs really don't have much to compete with Lee Evans, Jason Peters, Derrick Dockery Donte Whitner and so forth.

They do have much to compete with. Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Dustin Colquitt, Larry Johnson, Brian Waters.

Look, the talent is there. I just think it's being very poorly mis-used.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It was more a general comment than being a dick to you......look at how people react in general in the city after this year......

People are acting this way because there is no plan. The team is in disarray. It wasn't a real rebuilding year, it was half-assed and will get half-assed results with continued poor coaching and poor personnel decisions.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Coach

They do have much to compete with. Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Dustin Colquitt, Larry Johnson, Brian Waters.

Look, the talent is there. I just think it's being very poorly mis-used.

You listed the punter, cmon......ok Buffalo has a really good punter too...

And as it stands I'd rather have Marshawn Lynch than Larry Johnson...

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

People are acting this way because there is no plan. The team is in disarray. It wasn't a real rebuilding year, it was half-assed and will get half-assed results with continued poor coaching and poor personnel decisions.

Now that pretty much sums it up really well. I however think there'd still be numerous people flipping out even if there was a real plan. I honestly have no faith in them to do it properly.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Mecca

You listed the punter, cmon......ok Buffalo has a really good punter too...

And as it stands I'd rather have Marshawn Lynch than Larry Johnson...

And I would too. But to write off Larry Johnson as if he's like Johnny Johnson, no.

Look, it's obvious. This coaching staff does not have a clue on how to make the proper adjustments, especially after halftime.

That's one of the reasons why the Chiefs do well in the first half, but then suck major ass in the 2nd half. There is no adjustment. You have to adjust, even if things are working for you in the first half, becuase the other team will adjust their stuff to counter your best stuff that was working in the first half.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think Herm is a very good coach either, but at the same time I don't think this team would be any good even with a great coach.

Are you serious?

you don't think this team would be good with a great coach?

that's like saying this team wouldn't be good if they had peyton manning either?

no offense, but that's a little overboard, and pure doom and gloom.