KC residents - How are you voting on the smoking ban in April?

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, they're not "Privately Owned Areas".

So tell me, Dane, are they "Publicly owned areas/properties?" No. They are not. They are owned by PRIVATE companies or individuals. That's what makes them Private areas, open to the public.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's real estate that is ZONED for businesses. Zoning laws are different for businesses than they are for residences and in most cases, I highly doubt that business owner actually OWNS the building where his bar or restaurant operates.

As for Zoning laws, WTF does that have to do with anything? I've never seen a zoning law that made private property the property of the government. You're really flailing around like the T-1000 in a foundry, aren't you.

If the business owner owns the property, then they should be allowed to decide for themselves. If a landlord owns the property, they should get to decide. Simple.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Last time I checked, grocery stores, drug stores, clothing stores, ice cream shops and shopping malls don't allow smoking on their premises.

Why should bars and restaurants be excluded from the same laws that exist for other business owners in the same business zone?

See my response to this same question in my previous posts. I'm not rehashing it because you can't read the first time.

Public property is owned by the government. Private property is not.

Sorry that's too difficult a concept for a Californian to get.

Originally Posted by Simplex3

All I'm pointing out is that you've been Ok with a hundred things like this in your lifetime, you've just picked this one to be offended over.

Actually, I've always had issues with the government dictating how owners can or can't use their property.