KC residents - How are you voting on the smoking ban in April?

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So, you disagree that Transfat clogs arteries?

I didn't realize until today that Chiefsplanet was filled with so many doctors!

Wow, you really are bad at this, aren't you?

The issue isn't whether Transfat clogs arteries.

It's whether that's a proper role of the Government to dictate if we are free to use it because of that.

Sounds like you'd be far happier in a country where the government decides everything for you, and how to protect you from everything.

I'd suggest moving to one, but almost all of them are on the ash-heap of history. Sorry.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

Wow, you really are bad at this, aren't you?

The issue isn't whether Transfat clogs arteries.

It's whether that's a proper role of the Government to dictate if we are free to use it because of that.

Sounds like you'd be far happier in a country where the government decides everything for you, and how to protect you from everything.

I'd suggest moving to one, but almost all of them are on the ash-heap of history. Sorry.

God, you just don't GET IT.

If the government doesn't ban the use of foods like Transfat, when other options are available and make NO difference in the flavor, in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years - whatever - the Government and the American people will be footing the bill of the healthcare cost associated with foods like Transfat.

Is that what YOU want?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

God, you just don't GET IT.

If the government doesn't ban the use of foods like Transfat, when other options are available and make NO difference in the flavor, in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years - whatever - the Government and the American people will be footing the bill of the healthcare cost associated with foods like Transfat.

Is that what YOU want?

Where does the banning stop? Alcohol causes tons of health issues and contributes to increased medical costs. Should it be banned?

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Where does the banning stop? Alcohol causes tons of health issues and contributes to increased medical costs. Should it be banned?

No kidding. The world would definitely be a better place if alcohol disappeared from the earth. No fetal alcohol syndrome, nobody killed by drunk drivers. Less crime, spousal abuse, family breakdown, abandoned children, children of alcoholics becoming alcoholics, cirrhosis of the liver, and all the other potential problems.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

God, you just don't GET IT.

If the government doesn't ban the use of foods like Transfat, when other options are available and make NO difference in the flavor, in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years - whatever - the Government and the American people will be footing the bill of the healthcare cost associated with foods like Transfat.

Is that what YOU want?

I get it. What I want is for busybodies like you and your ilk to let people decide such things for themselves.

If they don't take responsibility for the smaller decisions (like smoking and trans fats) how can we expect people to make the big life-changing decisions?

All you are doing is encouraging a nanny-state, "government should take care of me" mind-set. That's the exact opposite of what built this nation, and what we need, IMO.

Put the information out there, but let people make up their own damn minds.

What you are pushing is a hand-over of self-responsibility to the government. Self-responsibility is an absolute good, and should be encouraged. I'll never understand why that's such a tough thing for you to accept, and I'm glad of that.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Where does the banning stop? Alcohol causes tons of health issues and contributes to increased medical costs. Should it be banned?

Exactly the point guys like Dane will never "get". It NEVER stops. First smoking, then trans-fats, then something else.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

I get it. What I want is for busybodies like you and your ilk to let people decide such things for themselves.

If they don't take responsibility for the smaller decisions (like smoking and trans fats) how can we expect people to make the big life-changing decisions?

All you are doing is encouraging a nanny-state, "government should take care of me" mind-set. That's the exact opposite of what built this nation, and what we need, IMO.

Put the information out there, but let people make up their own damn minds.

What you are pushing is a hand-over of self-responsibility to the government. Self-responsibility is an absolute good, and should be encouraged. I'll never understand why that's such a tough thing for you to accept, and I'm glad of that.

Quoted for Truth. I can't believe the state of America.

[Adept Havelock]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Quoted for Truth. I can't believe the state of America.

Thank you kindly. That also goes to all the folks who left the nice rep comments I just found.

Originally Posted by Cochise

No kidding. The world would definitely be a better place if alcohol disappeared from the earth. No fetal alcohol syndrome, nobody killed by drunk drivers. Less crime, spousal abuse, family breakdown, abandoned children, children of alcoholics becoming alcoholics, cirrhosis of the liver, and all the other potential problems.

True, but I'd be such a cranky bastard that it would probably balance out all that good.

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Tell you what, dickhead. Why don't you go into an establishment that caters to the public, sit down at a table and order nothing. Just refuse to order. Tell them that all you want to do is breathe the clean air.

It's not your table. It's not your business.

Get the hell out. You don't belong there.

Yep. Silly me, all this time I thought they were Private businesses catering to the public. I didn't realize the state owned them all, making them "Public".

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

I get it. What I want is for busybodies like you and your ilk to let people decide such things for themselves.

If they don't take responsibility for the smaller decisions (like smoking and trans fats) how can we expect people to make the big life-changing decisions?

All you are doing is encouraging a nanny-state, "government should take care of me" mind-set. That's the exact opposite of what built this nation, and what we need, IMO.

Put the information out there, but let people make up their own damn minds.

What you are pushing is a hand-over of self-responsibility to the government. Self-responsibility is an absolute good, and should be encouraged. I'll never understand why that's such a tough thing for you to accept, and I'm glad of that.



Exactly the point guys like Dane will never "get". It NEVER stops. First smoking, then trans-fats, then something else.

Okay, Mr. Havelock. Have it your way.

Why don't we just go away with agencies like the FDA, which are supposed to regulate food and drug. We ALL know that the corporations that create and sell these products are trustworthy and only look out for our best interests.

Why don't we just do away with the FAA? All the airlines no what to do. And as a matter of point, why is smoking no longer allowed on airline flights? Pesky government!

Maybe we should get rid of the FCC as well. That way, ONE or TWO corporations would be able to control the news, information and entertainment broadcast. Who the hell needs the FCC, anyway?

But why stop there? Let's get rid of local programs like the Better Business Bureau. I mean, businesses are all good and NO ONE EVER treats people with disrepect or could POSSIBLY be dishonest.

I finally get it now: Don't trust the Government. Don't trust ANYONE.

ANARCHY RULES!!!!

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Maybe we should get rid of the FCC as well. That way, ONE or TWO corporations would be able to control the news, information and entertainment broadcast. Who the hell needs the FCC, anyway?

They pretty much already do.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

They pretty much already do.

Actually, no.

[Third Eye]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually, no.

Are you kidding? Print- Hearst and a couple other magnates, TV-The big networks own all the little ones, Radio- Clearchannel and a couple other magnates, Movies- The big studios own the little ones. Sure, you have your alternative press, but nobody gives them any real credence in this country.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Okay, Mr. Havelock. Have it your way.

Why don't we just go away with agencies like the FDA, which are supposed to regulate food and drug. We ALL know that the corporations that create and sell these products are trustworthy and only look out for our best interests.

Why don't we just do away with the FAA? All the airlines no what to do. And as a matter of point, why is smoking no longer allowed on airline flights? Pesky government!

Maybe we should get rid of the FCC as well. That way, ONE or TWO corporations would be able to control the news, information and entertainment broadcast. Who the hell needs the FCC, anyway?

But why stop there? Let's get rid of local programs like the Better Business Bureau. I mean, businesses are all good and NO ONE EVER treats people with disrepect or could POSSIBLY be dishonest.

I finally get it now: Don't trust the Government. Don't trust ANYONE.

ANARCHY RULES!!!!

Consumer groups are a much more efficient form of control than government agencies.