KC residents - How are you voting on the smoking ban in April?

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by penchief

Well, it sounds like the state of Washington has a problem with private property.

Public businesses, by definition, cater to the public. The public consists of both smokers and non smokers. Public businesses have, imo, the obligation to respect the rights of all the public. Smoking harms others who don't smoke (even those in the public who occasionally choose to patron public businesses with the expectation of not being poisoned). By establishing outside smoking you are both respecting the health of non-smokers and also the right of patrons to smoke. When smoking is the source of the problem, why punish those who don't smoke? How is it any different than public health ordinances?

The choice to smoke belongs to the smoker. But that doesn't give he or she the right to impose the negative consequences of his or her choice onto others, IMO. Why should the rights of smokers and their unhealthy habits be protected when it imposes on the rights of non-smokers to enjoy their community without the risk of being harmed? Why should the non-smoker have to stay home? Why should the smoker have more rights than the non-smoker?

Hell, I should just go take a crap on the kitchen floor of a restaurant and say that I am doing so because it's my God-given right. Even though there are established areas for taking shits and pisses I should have the right to impose my urges on the rest of society. Right?

If a business owner makes money off of the public he has to abide by the laws of human dignity. NO ONE person has the right to negatively affect the lifespan or quality of life of another person. Smoking may be legal but it isn't God. And even though the republican party has established that profit IS God, apparently the tobacco industry and the drug companies haven't quite yet convinced the states that profit is God.

Tell you what, dickhead. Why don't you go into an establishment that caters to the public, sit down at a table and order nothing. Just refuse to order. Tell them that all you want to do is breathe the clean air.

It's not your table. It's not your business.

Get the hell out. You don't belong there.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Tell you what, dickhead. Why don't you go into an establishment that caters to the public, sit down at a table and order nothing. Just refuse to order. Tell them that all you want to do is breathe the clean air.

It's not your table. It's not your business.

Get the hell out. You don't belong there.

Do people who operate a public business require a permit? Do you think that a permit should be required? Should people who operate a business be subject to audits or health inspections? What would be the difference? It's the same means to the same end. And it is the most efficient means to that end.

If you'd rather blow toxins into the face of your fellow man rather than go outside, then I doubt you have the respect to understand the other side of this argument.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by penchief

Do people who operate a public business require a permit? Do you think that a permit should be required? Should people who operate a business be subject to audits or health inspections? What would be the difference? It's the same means to the same end. And it is the most efficient means to that end.

If you'd rather forego the company of your fellow man just so that you have the right to blow toxins in his or her face rather than go outside, then I doubt you have the respect to understand the other side of this argument.

I thinks it's very clear that I have no respect for you. I wouldn't spit on you if a smoker accidentally set you on fire.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

I thinks it's very clear that I have no respect for you. I wouldn't spit on you if a smoker accidentally set you on fire.

Glad to see that you addressed my comments instead of resorting to a diversion. When was the last time you actually said something meaningful? I'm beginning to think that you're an emotional idiot.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by penchief

...When was the last time you actually said something meaningful?...

Post 272, which I repeated to you later. You still haven't addressed it, you emotional idiot.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

Post 272, which I repeated to you later. You still haven't addressed it, you emotional idiot.

Actually, I have answered that many times over. My general position suggests it. If an individual is going to go into business to serve the public he cannot discriminate in any way, shape, or form. That is part of the price of doing business with the public.

You can own as much property as you want but as soon as you open shop to the public you have responsibilities to that public. You can't discriminate and you can't knowingly do harm. Those are the ground rules and that's how it should be. If your prejudices preclude you from respecting the rights of others then you ALSO have a choice not to open your doors to the public.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by penchief

Actually, I have answered that many times over. My general position suggests it. If an individual is going to go into business to serve the public he cannot discriminate in any way, shape, or form. That is part of the price of doing business with the public.

You can own as much property as you want but as soon as you open shop to the public you have responsibilities to that public. You can't discriminate and you can't knowingly do harm. Those are the ground rules and that's how it should be. If your prejudices preclude you from respecting the rights of others then you ALSO have a choice not to open your doors to the public.

The doors aren't open to the public. They are open to that segment of the public that chooses to enter. In the case of a bar in particular, the doors aren't open to anyone who isn't old enough to be there. And granny, if they're old enough to choose to enter, then they're old enough to choose to walk out if they smell something they don't care for.