KC residents - How are you voting on the smoking ban in April?

[Bowser]

Let's get a definitive look on how the Planet feels about this. Poll on the way.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Restaurants will not lose $ because of no smoking laws. They stand a good chance of increasing their $. Smokers tend to sit around and enjoy a smoke or 20 before, during and after food. The non-smokers tend to eat and then leave. This frees up the table for more customers.

Dude, don't forget, only smokers tip. Just ask one, they'll tell you. They also drink more, so they tip even more.

Nevermind that in my restaurant experience I never once saw that.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Third Eye

Especially since it's as simple as going to a non-smoking restaurant. I mean, com'n. How much of a whiner does a non-smoker have to be? Just go somewhere else, don't smoke your cigarette, and shut the **** up. Okay?

Before the smoking bans where exactly were these f**king mythical non-smoking restaurants?

[Third Eye]

Possibly NSFW-language

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by penchief

Actually, it was a huge part of my internship. So I do know quite a bit about the statistics and it is a proven fact that second hand smoke is a cancer causing agent. But citing statistics has never been my tact. I would much rather people explain to me their own logic for their own positions. I think that my logic in favor of protecting the rights of non-smokers is much stronger than those who defend the rights of smokers to impose the negative health consequences of their choice onto others.

Especially since it's as simple as taking it outside. I mean, com'n. How much of a whiner does a smoker have to be? Just step outside, smoke your cigarette, and shut the **** up. Okay?

Smokers aren't asking for new laws. Non smokers are. Who's the whiny bitches that need to shut the **** up? The ones that are living their lives, minding their own business? Or is it the people that want to impose their way of life on everyone else? You sound like a douchebag when you post shit like this. The last line ruined the entire post.

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

Smokers aren't asking for new laws. Non smokers are. Who's the whiny bitches that need to shut the **** up? The ones that are living their lives, minding their own business? Or is it the people that want to impose their way of life on everyone else? You sound like a douchebag when you post shit like this. The last line ruined the entire post.

penchief is not a douchebag.

She's THE douchebag.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I'm Ok with this.

In order to be Ok with this, though, you have to be prepared to watch people starve to death. You have to be able to bear the images of people lying, sick and dying, with no medical care.

I'm ready. I know very few people that can/would deal with that, though.

Just be prepared for it be you due to some accident that you have zero control over. Then be prepared to either watch your kids starve to death, or kill them and eat them to save yourself. Once you're there, you've got a deal.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So please, spare me the idea that people are personally responsible in regards to smoking.

I'm reminded of that every time a lit butt bounces off my windshield at night and every time I walk across a parking lot.

I asked a lady one time why she didn't just use the ashtray in her car instead of flicking them out in the street. Her response killed me. "They make my car stink." First, it's the smoking that makes your car stink. Second, if you'd empty the f**ker out every couple of days I'm sure it wouldn't be an issue.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Adept Havelock

I think it should be left to the business owner, in any case.

I think it should be left to the customers to decide if they want to vote with their dollars in a non-smoking or smoking establishment.

I think it should be left to employees to decide for themselves if they want to work in a non-smoking or smoking environment.

JMO.

My exact position. To a tee.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by bogey

I'd venture to say that most people ARE personally responsible in regards to smoking.

Ah-hahahahahahaha...

Oh, wait, you weren't joking?

Give me a break. You and I can go downtown some day and we'll pick smokers at random and follow them. If their butt winds up in an approved container, you give me $100. If it doesn't, I'll give you $100. Either of us can quit at any time.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by penchief

What is worse? Having to go outside to get your fix or imposing the consequences of your habit onto others?

Is it really that big of a deal for you to go outside? Man, you must be a real pussy (and a self-centered pussy, to boot).

That's rich that you have the gall to call someone a pussy for NOT going outside to smoke. You ****ing pussy, suck in that 2nd hand smoke. You don't like it. Leave. How could you possibly contribute to the pussification of American then think for one single soliatry second that it's everyone else that has the vulva? You really are a dipshit.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by penchief

I know that you're not trying to pick a fight.

Let's say that grocery stores still allowed smoking. Why should I be exposed to cancer causing agents when all I'm trying to do is survive by going to the store to buy food to eat?

Because you're not a pussy? Wait.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts

Just be prepared for it be you due to some accident that you have zero control over. Then be prepared to either watch your kids starve to death, or kill them and eat them to save yourself. Once you're there, you've got a deal.

I'm not afraid of death, either mine or a loved one's. It's going to happen.

Also, let's define "zero control". What part of you life is it that you think you have zero control of?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

Before the smoking bans where exactly were these f**king mythical non-smoking restaurants?

How about The Olive Garden. They're non smoking nationwide, long before bans. Plenty of mom and pop shops and others didn't allow smoking. What? You never went out to eat before bans?

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I'm not afraid of death, either mine or a loved one's. It's going to happen.

Also, let's define "zero control". What part of you life is it that you think you have zero control of?

You took my post out of context. You're driving to the store and get blindsided by a drunk driver flying at over 60mph through a light. You have no control over it, and you can no longer work because you are now quadroplegic. That's what I was talking about. As far as your fear for your loved one's, everyone dies. Would you like to watch it with your own two eyes because no one would do anything to help you? If so, fine. At least you're honest.

[Micjones]

I'm for banning smoking in public places.

I hate the way it makes my clothes smell.
Though that isn't my only reason.