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Old 02-27-2008, 01:33 PM  
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:41 PM   #61
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Hali struggles against the run at DE. He can't move to the inside and play DT???

Also, why take a situational pass rusher at #5??
If you think Gholston is nothing more than a situational pass rusher I fear for your talent evaluating skills....

Guess the Giants shouldn't have re-signed Justin Tuck to that 30 million dollar deal since he's nothing more than a "situational backup DE"
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:47 PM   #62
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Are you serious? Donnie Edwards had 106 tackles last season with 2 sacks, a fumble force, and an INT. He played very well last season.

I'm looking at Gholston for what he is...A tweaner that hasn't been asked to be in coverage much (which is exactly what he will be doing all the time in Gun's scheme), and ANOTHER DE that will command top dollar when we already have two that command enough money.

No thank you...
Donnie had a great season stat wise, but he slowed way down toward the end of the year-he's slowing down and shouldn't be counted on as a long-term solution when in rebuilding mode. Besides that, I'm advocating taking Gholston as a DE who could line up in the falcon for us from time to time. Edwards has little to do with the discussion, but since we are discussing it, I felt the need to clarify.

Also, Gholston would become one of the top two players on our defense-how in the Hell do just shrug that off as insignifigant?
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:52 PM   #63
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You keep bringing up the Giants...But the fact of the matter is, the Giants weren't in a rebuilding mode when they decided to do that. They didn't need 3 offensive lineman, a stud DT, a starting CB, or a WR. You can't draft ANOTHER DE WHEN DE IS NOT AN ISSUE.

We will just agree to disagree. All I know is that I am glad your not making any draft decisions on April 26th.
We were 4-12. ANY player that can potentially change a game should be an option. You can never have too many elite pass rushers.

The Giants were 4-12 in Fassel's last season, 2003. Despite having just drafted Osi Umenyora and already having Michael Strahan on the roster, Tom Coughlin drafted FOUR defesnive ends in the next 3 drafts, including Tuck and Kiwanuka.

They had needs along the offensive line, just like we do and yet they did exactly what you said they shouldn't do.
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Old 02-27-2008, 09:54 PM   #64
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Honestly if we were going to draft another D-linemen, I'd much rather us take Ellis.
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Gholston is another DeMarcus Ware, for anyone to justify that we couldn't use that or he'd sit behind Tamba Hali is pretty much a joke in my view.
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Honestly if we were going to draft another D-linemen, I'd much rather us take Ellis.
I would too.

But let's just assume Dorsey and Ellis are gone as well as Jake Long.

Are you really gonna pass on a talent like Gholston solely because he's a DE?
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Gholston may very well be the best player in this draft......he's at worst top 3.
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I would too.

But let's just assume Dorsey and Ellis are gone as well as Jake Long.

Are you really gonna pass on a talent like Gholston solely because he's a DE?
If those 3 guys are gone then I definitely take Matt Ryan.

We've got to have a backup plan if (or more likely when) Brodie gets injured.

...Besides, I think one of those 3 guys will be there when the Chiefs draft anyways so it's a moot point.
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If those 3 guys are gone then I definitely take Matt Ryan.

We've got to have a backup plan if (or more likely when) Brodie gets injured.
REACH. Matt Ryan has bust written all over him so let's give him a HUGE SIGNING BONUS and give him a third-world O-line to block for him.
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REACH. Matt Ryan has bust written all over him so let's give him a HUGE SIGNING BONUS and give him a third-world O-line to block for him.
he might be a bust but so might every other guy in the draft.

Do you have the winning lotto #s also?

As far as the third-world O-line, that's what the rest of the draft is for anyways. It'd be no different if we took Gholston in the 1st.... we'd have to spend the other picks on O-line.
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he might be a bust but so might every other guy in the draft.

Do you have the winning lotto #s also?

As far as the third-world O-line, that's what the rest of the draft is for anyways. It'd be no different if we took Gholston in the 1st.... we'd have to spend the other picks on O-line.
Who says so?

This team isn't in any position to contend next year, I wish people would quit looking at the draft as "we have to get back to 8-8"
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It really doesn't matter.

I'd bet a lot of $$ that Jake Long, Sedrick Ellis or Glen Dorsey will be there when the Chiefs draft.

And I'd rather have any of those guys over Gholston.

... I just don't see him (Gholston) ending up with the Chiefs. IMO there's other far more realistic options that the Chiefs will select... see the 3 guys above or a trade down.
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If those 3 guys are gone then I definitely take Matt Ryan.

We've got to have a backup plan if (or more likely when) Brodie gets injured.

...Besides, I think one of those 3 guys will be there when the Chiefs draft anyways so it's a moot point.
Wait a second.

DE is a "luxury we can't afford with the #5 pick" but we can afford to take a "BACKUP PLAN" with that pick?

Come on, suds, that makes no sense.
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Who says so?

This team isn't in any position to contend next year, I wish people would quit looking at the draft as "we have to get back to 8-8"
I don't know why everybody is in such a hurry.

We've bottomed out. We've already been through the worst.

It's time to build. If that means being 6-10 next year, so be it.
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