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Old 02-27-2008, 01:33 PM  
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Old 02-28-2008, 01:17 PM   #91
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He's gotten by on his physical prowess. He's a great athlete. But he's very raw - he only started 25 games. Plus, we all know OSU doesn't have the toughest schedule. He had a good game against Jake Long but was invisible in the national championship; on some plays it looks like he quit.

His first year he'd be a situational pass rusher. With the right coaching and system and his natural ability he could develop into a great football player, I just don't happen to think that he is one yet and there is a risk he never will be. I'm reminded a little bit of Boss Bailey - phenomenal athlete, room to grow, he just never did.
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Old 02-28-2008, 02:08 PM   #92
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I have read a lot of your posts on Vernon and definetely agree with you. He is a beast, and for NJChief or whoever keeps pointing out he got pancaked by a WR, what good player hasn't been de-cleated (see Roidman and Maurice Jones Drew, that was nasty). Gholston is an animal he is relentless. The thing also is Gholston has ran in the high 4.4's and I believe at OSU's pro-day you are going to see some low numbers in the 40. The guy got 37reps on the bench, he tied Jake Long, and Vernon was disappointed because he though he would get at least 40. I would mess my pants if we got him, that would be awesome. Jim Heacock (D Coordinator at tOSU) said he was one of the best athletes he has ever seen at Ohio State, and that is saying a lot. Anyway I would be thrilled if we got him, but if we don't I hope we land someone else who will make a big impact.

I have to say thank you for the kind words-I really appreciate it. Flattery will get you everywhere.

Good take on Gholston. The guy really is a beast, who is going to command double teams. I don't know why some de-value someone with so much physical prowess.
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:10 PM   #93
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He's gotten by on his physical prowess. He's a great athlete. But he's very raw - he only started 25 games. Plus, we all know OSU doesn't have the toughest schedule. He had a good game against Jake Long but was invisible in the national championship; on some plays it looks like he quit.

His first year he'd be a situational pass rusher. With the right coaching and system and his natural ability he could develop into a great football player, I just don't happen to think that he is one yet and there is a risk he never will be. I'm reminded a little bit of Boss Bailey - phenomenal athlete, room to grow, he just never did.
Didn't play the toughest competition? Gimme a break, dude.

OSU, during the time Gholston was a starter, played a top 5 team AT LEAST FOUR TIMES. I may go out and actually count them because that statement is absolutely absurd.
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:12 PM   #94
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Didn't play the toughest competition? Gimme a break, dude.

OSU, during the time Gholston was a starter, played a top 5 team AT LEAST FOUR TIMES. I may go out and actually count them because that statement is absolutely absurd.
Don't forget about him squaring off with the Highlander, the greatest OL prospect EVAH......
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:30 PM   #95
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Off the top of my head, I know they played Texas when they were top 5. They might have even played Texas twice. Obviously they got the BCS NC against Florida and LSU. They played Michigan when they were #2. So that's 4.
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Old 02-28-2008, 03:36 PM   #96
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Off the top of my head, I know they played Texas when they were top 5. They might have even played Texas twice. Obviously they got the BCS NC against Florida and LSU. They played Michigan when they were #2. So that's 4.
This past year when he put up his big numbers they played Youngstown, Akron, Kent State and the 1-11 Golden Gophers. I'll save you some time, they weren't ranked.
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This past year when he put up his big numbers they played Youngstown, Akron, Kent State and the 1-11 Golden Gophers. I'll save you some time, they weren't ranked.
He started 25 games, and put up very good numbers last year too.

By the way, this past year when he put up his big numbers, they finished 54th in SoS, despite playing those 4 teams you listed...
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Let me start by saying that I am a big advocate of players doing cycles. It is really so important in the NFL. Think about all the baseball players that have been caught, and think of the difference between that and football. It is indeed obvious that many, many guys use. That said, Gholston looks incredible in that picture on the first page of this thread. He will instantly be one of the best built guys in the league. I know he has sick genetics, and is fairly tall. That kind of lean mass on a person is way out of the ordinary though. Pretty much impossible to weigh that much and be that lean. He is way dry and vascular in the arms. He is not far off from being able to diet down a few pounds and be a NPC national super-heavyweight bodybuilder. That is one step away from Jay Cutler, Coleman, etc. The amount of shit those guys do is crazy. I would just hope he doesn't end up with injury problems. He does look fantastic though. Merriman is a joke physique wise compared to VG. I hope he does real well in the NFL. Let the flaming begin because I am always wrong about this stuff according to the members of this board.
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Gholston is another DeMarcus Ware, for anyone to justify that we couldn't use that or he'd sit behind Tamba Hali is pretty much a joke in my view.
No, Gholston is a guy who will probably lead the league in sacks multiple times.
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Indeed. Looks like a very unhappy man without enough fiber in his diet...
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Let me start by saying that I am a big advocate of players doing cycles. It is really so important in the NFL. Think about all the baseball players that have been caught, and think of the difference between that and football. It is indeed obvious that many, many guys use. That said, Gholston looks incredible in that picture on the first page of this thread. He will instantly be one of the best built guys in the league. I know he has sick genetics, and is fairly tall. That kind of lean mass on a person is way out of the ordinary though. Pretty much impossible to weigh that much and be that lean. He is way dry and vascular in the arms. He is not far off from being able to diet down a few pounds and be a NPC national super-heavyweight bodybuilder. That is one step away from Jay Cutler, Coleman, etc. The amount of shit those guys do is crazy. I would just hope he doesn't end up with injury problems. He does look fantastic though. "roidman" Merriman is a joke physique wise compared to VG. I hope he does real well in the NFL. Let the flaming begin because I am always wrong about this stuff according to the members of this board.
Yes. He's huge.

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