What the Hell is a "System QB" and why is it bad to be one?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You're frigging kidding me right? You picture Elway with the weapons Montana had and tell me how many rings he would have won.

As many as Montana, perhaps, but NO MORE. NFC was awesome back then. And you're not going to convince me that Elway was actually better than Montana. As good, MAYBE, but not better.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

As many as Montana, perhaps, but NO MORE. NFC was awesome back then. And you're not going to convince me that Elway was actually better than Montana. As good, MAYBE, but not better.

Not saying Elway was better, saying Elway was better suited to win with less talent around him than Montana.

Joe was the master of the West Coast System no question about it. He played that O like a violin; with the talent he had around him it was a work of art.

John had more ability to put a team on his back by creating plays where there were none, making ungodly cross field throws, etc. Each was something to behold.

As to your NFC love, well, what can I say? At least you are man enough to admit your fears

We have to find a way to work in some Steve Grogan love; I used to dig watching him play.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Not saying Elway was better, saying Elway was better suited to win with less talent around him than Montana.

Joe was the master of the West Coast System no question about it. He played that O like a violin; with the talent he had around him it was a work of art.

John had more ability to put a team on his back by creating plays where there were none, making ungodly cross field throws, etc. Each was something to behold.

As to your NFC love, well, what can I say? At least you are man enough to admit your fears

We have to find a way to work in some Steve Grogan love; I used to dig watching him play.

Grogs was fun. Tough as nails.

Didn't love the NFC, just recognizing reality. They dominated the whole decade. Skins, Niners, Giants, Bears were in one gruop, and the rest of the NFL was in another.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Grogs was fun. Tough as nails.

Didn't love the NFC, just recognizing reality. They dominated the whole decade. Skins, Niners, Giants, Bears were in one gruop, and the rest of the NFL was in another.

Sam Bam Cunningham, Russ Francis, Stanley Morgan....Grogan had some good years.

Yeah, I really liked watching da Bears when they were kicking ass.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Grogs was fun. Tough as nails.

Didn't love the NFC, just recognizing reality. They dominated the whole decade. Skins, Niners, Giants, Bears were in one gruop, and the rest of the NFL was in another.

There's no denying how dominant the NFC was during that time.

The NFC dominated for 13 years... 1985 (SB XIX) through 1997 (SB XXI)

During those 13 seasons, 7 AFC teams reached the SB and lost:

Bills - 4
Broncos - 3
Patriots - 2
Bengals / Dolphins / Chargers / Steelers -

The Broncos broke that streak when they defeated the Packers.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

As many as Montana, perhaps, but NO MORE. NFC was awesome back then. And you're not going to convince me that Elway was actually better than Montana. As good, MAYBE, but not better.

That's the beauty of these debates... nobody knows.

If you were to simply trade QBs b/t Denver and SF during the 80s... would either team be better or worse off? I dunno... I don't see the 49ers dropping in value at all, but I can't say that I see Joe leading the Broncos to 3 out of 4 SBs.