Chiefs Meet With Otah - Page 20

KC4EVER · 03-27-2008, 06:51 PM

Chiefs | Team meets with Otah
Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:40:13 -0700

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Kansas City Chiefs met with University of Pittsburgh OT Jeff Otah Monday, March 24.

I think the chiefs hope they can grab him in the second, wich is considerable since we pick early in most rounds.

kcchiefsus · 03-29-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You're putting an awful lot of pressure on a rookie offensive lineman. Croyle is likely to get hurt no matter who you draft.

Got to draft them sometime. If we draft them in 2008 it is that much sooner that they are able to get in the offense and develop.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-29-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Everyone calls Gholston lazy because he takes plays off. He disappears in the fourth, and gets taken out of games completely.

Wow.

That sounds like someone I know that plays DE for the Chiefs, yet everyone says he's an elite DE.....

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchiefsus

We simply don't have enough players on the defensive line though. IMO the only players currently on our roster at DL who will be here opening day are DE's Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, and Turk McBride and DT's Tank Tyler, Alfonso Boone, and Tank Tyler. Besides the obvious lack of depth at both positions, two things come to mind.

1) Our defensive tackles are all nose tackle types. None of them can rush the passer very well from the interior. Even if Tank Tyler develops he will never be a Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris type. He is more along the lines of a Anthony McFarland/Pat Williams type. We need our Warren Sapp/Tommie Harris/Kevin Williams on the interior.

2) Turk McBride is IMO nothing more than a rotational player. He simply does not have what it takes to rush the passer from the outside. If either Allen or Hali go down for an extended period of time our pass rush goes to shit because we simply won't have any reliable backups at DE who can rush the passer.

Any thought that we are fine on the defensive line is absurd.

I have more reservations about Turk in the 2nd than Tank in the 3rd. I think Tank can develop into something good if coached well. I also think there's more to his Sleep Apnea problem than we hear. If not corrected it could take a lot from his tank.

As for your last comment, I totally agree, but I also submit that our O-line is in way more dire situation than our D-line.

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

22 posts in and no one has asked this obvious question

What the hell are you smoking?

Otah won't make it out of the top 15 picks, much less into the second round.

By this posting you have read post 59, I'm sure.

You're welcome.

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You just completely ignored my post.

ACTUAL TALENT. Not who you think has a CHANCE to be talented.

Being excited about who will become a contributor is great. I'm looking forward to that as well.

But as of 11:46am on March 29th, there is little TRUE talent on this team......
.....

Philip Rivers
LaDainian Tomlinson
Nick Hardwick
Marcus McNeill
Antonio Gates
Chris Chambers
Igor Olshansky
Jamal Williams
Luis Castillo
Shaun Phillips
Shawne "roidman" "roidman" "roidman" Merriman
Antonio Cromartie

THAT is talent you build around. Not a whopping 2-3 players.

How many of those names made your list AFTER SD became a good team? We are not a good team now. But when SD was in our current shoes a lot of those players were called no talent busts, I'm sure, by some of their fans. Just like you are doing.

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

If you feel you absolutely need to draft an OT early this year, wouldn't it be better to draft an elite level prospect at 5, then trade up into the late first round to get a shot at Sam Baker?

I'm not personally a Sam Baker fan, but I agree with the spirit of what you are saying too.

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

I think the point about "stars" that some of us have is that even DT and Neil didnt look nearly as star-like without Saleamua and Phillips in front of them. They didnt get star status but guys like them and Szott, Grunhard, Alt, etc. freed the other guys up to do their thing. We may never find out who the young stars are if they are picking up slack for poor play in the trenches.

LJ was a "star" untill we started loosing the battle of the trenches, then he looked like crap without solid talent in front.

I'm not for OT at all cost, but if Long is there it frees us up to do so much more with our other picks. I also would take Clady over reaching for a Defensive guy like Gholston who doesnt even fit out scheme. Its funny that the BPA regardless crowd seems to be all for reaching for Defense.

Again at 5 we're going to get one of the elite 5-6 players in the draft, whats wrong with hoping that its also a position of need that will free up our "stars" on Offense to do what they do? If its Dorsey or Ellis I'll be jumping for joy! But we'll still have to think OT, and OG later in the draft and hoping they can start almost immediately because they will have to. My whole point is the later we wait to address a position where we need starters NOW the less likely we'll get players ready to start NOW. ----before you say it I'm not saying that means we will win now.

I wish I could double-rep this post.

kcchiefsus · 03-29-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Wow.

That sounds like someone I know that plays DE for the Chiefs, yet everyone says he's an elite DE.....

That is complete bullshit. Since when has Jared taken plays off?

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It's not about need, it's about quality, .

Nope! It's about "quality" in the position of our greatest "need."

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by melbar

Gholston is a lazy game day guy who had a great workout. Clady is a 2-3 spot "reach". Gholston doesnt fit our Defense and would have to take time to learn to play the run while we hope he starts giving every play. I only hope the Raiders take him so we can run at him all day long and forget him by the 4th quarter. NOT and elite prospect. ONCE AGAIN 2-3 spots isnt a reach otherwise all the teams would just take the next guy on the overall players list.

2 or 3 spots early in the first round might be somewhat of a reach whereas it's not in the lower rounds. That's why I would accept Clady at 5 only if by draft day, I have read enough reputable draft experts convincing me his stock has legitimately risen. Having said that, I'd be perfectly happy to draft Clady around 8 or 9 if we could swing a good trade down.

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Boone is 32 and Edwards is 35. Tanks and Turk BETTER work out, because right now, they are all we have at DT for the future.

Tank and Turk represent hope, at least. Our O-line does not even have that luxury.

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-29-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Nope! It's about "quality" in the position of our greatest "need."

OMG, so you would pass on an all-world stud at another position for an above average player because of need? That might be the most dense comment I've read this year concerning the upcoming draft outside of findthedr's tripe.

Frankie · 03-29-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Not picking on you, but since you said it....

Why are people so hung up on Long's 1 penalty and 2 sacks?

If he got to play Michigan's schedule again this year, that might be of interest.

He has to play against 16 of the best DE's in the world. The best of the best.

Isn't that true for ALL college kids drafted in the NFL? So everybody is hopeless by your reasoning.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-29-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

How many of those names made your list AFTER SD became a good team? We are not a good team now. But when SD was in our current shoes a lot of those players were called no talent busts, I'm sure, by some of their fans. Just like you are doing.

Dear God, Frankie.

Every single one of those players produced from DAY ONE, with the exception of Rivers. Most QB's don't even play in their 1st year.

I'd love to see who on that lit you thought was a no-talent bust when they were drafted.

And I haven't called a SINGLE Chiefs draft pick under Herm Edwards a bust.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-29-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Isn't that true for ALL college kids drafted in the NFL? So everybody is hopeless by your reasoning.

I swear you're about a sharp as a marble.

People are using it as validation to draft him. College success does not guarantee NFL success.

He'll be facing the best of the best, week-in and week-out. Not some true sophomore from Eastern Michigan who's a walk on.

Robert Gallery was very impressive in college.

Now that he has a few years under his belt, was he worth the 2nd overall pick?

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