I Am Sorry Mr. Self - Page 4

KCChiefsMan · 04-07-2008, 10:57 PM

Dear Mr. Bill Self,

I did not like you very much. I said some things about you that I wish I would not have said. I mentioned that you couldn't coach in game and that you were only a great recruiter. After Bucknell and Bradley in consecutive years, I wanted you gone. I even made a white T-Shirt saying "I Hate My Self" after the Bradley game and wore it around town a couple of times. Frankly, I wanted you out of here.

I have just finished my dinner of burnt crow (shown below):

Mr. Self, I hope you can accept my most sincere apology. If I could erase all the bad things I've said about you, I would. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but you deserved a full chance and I was impatient and didn't want to give you that chance. Once you got your team that you recruited 100%, you showed me what you are capable of.

The script for this could not have been written any better. We got to the Sweet 16, facing this year's cinderella with the hottest player out there at that time and it was a nail biter, but we came out on top. Then we face our old coach, who most Jayhawk fans hate with a passion. You beat him against all odds (well, at least that's what sportscenter would have you believe.) Then to keep this team together while all seems lost with only a minute or so to go, being down by 7. It could have been easy for our players to give up at that point, but they were composed and Mario Chalmers, the son of your assistant, hit's that clutch 3 pointer to send us into overtime with momentum on our side.

So Mr. Bill Self, I am extremely sorry for doubting you and I feel stupid for doing so. I hope you stay in Lawrence, KS until your career is finished.

Thank You Bill Self,

Paul
University of Kansas
Class of 2005

Brock · 04-08-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Oklahoma State has some tradition as well. I just find it disturbing that some think that KU is light year's ahead of OSU-they aren't. OSU would be considered a top 50 program and they will be offering ALOT more than Kansas-this isn't as cut and dry are some are making it out to be-that's why I'm railing against them. Some are just so jaded, that they think just because we are KU, he'll stay. BFD, KU has been a successful program, but FAR fram elite. In fact, until this year, it could be argued that OSU had MORE RECENT success than KU in recent years. How exactly does that make KU elite? It doesn't.

Well, if you really don't think KU is one of the top 3 jobs in NCAA basketball, there's really no point in arguing with you, because you are disconnected from reality.

BigChiefFan · 04-08-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Well, if you really don't think KU is one of the top 3 jobs in NCAA basketball, there's really no point in arguing with you, because you are disconnected from reality.

In theory it is, but before last night, what exactly has KU's basketball program done in the past 20 years, that makes everyone think they are elite?

Just because you have a storied tradition, doesn't make you elite. Winning meaningful games makes you elite, besides last night, where are all these national championships that elite teams have? Hell, how about final 4 visits? See, they're aren't too many of them, thus negating any eliteness, that so many Jayhawks wish to believe is the case. Sorry, but I don't buy the hype.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-08-2008, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Oklahoma State has some tradition as well. I just find it disturbing that some think that KU is light year's ahead of OSU-they aren't. OSU would be considered a top 50 program and they will be offering ALOT more than Kansas-this isn't as cut and dry are some are making it out to be-that's why I'm railing against them. Some are just so jaded, that they think just because we are KU, he'll stay. BFD, KU has been a successful program, but FAR fram elite. In fact, until this year, it could be argued that OSU had MORE RECENT success than KU in recent years. How exactly does that make KU elite? It doesn't.

Kansas now has....5 National Championships, 13 Final Fours, 37 NCAA bids, 51 Conference Championships, and 36 20-win seasons.

What are OSU's numbers? Honestly, I'm asking.

Brock · 04-08-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

In theory it is, but before last night, what exactly has KU's basketball program done in the past 20 years, that makes everyone think they are elite?

Just because you have a storied tradition, doesn't make you elite. Winning meaningful games makes you elite, besides last night, where are all these national championships that elite teams have? Hell, how about final 4 visits? See, they're aren't too many of them, thus negating any eliteness, that so many Jayhawks wish to believe is the case. Sorry, but I don't buy the hype.

They've been to the final four 13 times. I guess if that's "not too many" you're right. Champs 3 times, runner up 5 times. I just realized I'm arguing with a reeruned person. See ya.

**Mr. Kotter** · 04-08-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

In theory it is, but before last night, what exactly has KU's basketball program done in the past 20 years, that makes everyone think they are elite?

Just because you have a storied tradition, doesn't make you elite. Winning meaningful games makes you elite, besides last night, where are all these national championships that elite teams have? Hell, how about final 4 visits? See, they're aren't too many of them, thus negating any eliteness, that so many Jayhawks wish to believe is the case. Sorry, but I don't buy the hype.

Six Final Four appearances in 21 years, and Four Championship game appearances--including 2 Championships???

ChiefsFan4Life · 04-08-2008, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

In theory it is, but before last night, what exactly has KU's basketball program done in the past 20 years, that makes everyone think they are elite?

Just because you have a storied tradition, doesn't make you elite. Winning meaningful games makes you elite, besides last night, where are all these national championships that elite teams have? Hell, how about final 4 visits? See, they're aren't too many of them, thus negating any eliteness, that so many Jayhawks wish to believe is the case. Sorry, but I don't buy the hype.

I'll give you a call if I find your mind, because you've obviously lost it

stlchiefs · 04-08-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

In theory it is, but before last night, what exactly has KU's basketball program done in the past 20 years, that makes everyone think they are elite?

Just because you have a storied tradition, doesn't make you elite. Winning meaningful games makes you elite, besides last night, where are all these national championships that elite teams have? Hell, how about final 4 visits? See, they're aren't too many of them, thus negating any eliteness, that so many Jayhawks wish to believe is the case. Sorry, but I don't buy the hype.

Someone got out of bed the wrong way this morning, because this guy is obviously talking out of his AZZ and doesn't even realize it.

**the Talking Can** · 04-08-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Oklahoma State has some tradition as well. I just find it disturbing that some think that KU is light year's ahead of OSU-they aren't. OSU would be considered a top 50 program and they will be offering ALOT more than Kansas-this isn't as cut and dry are some are making it out to be-that's why I'm railing against them. Some are just so jaded, that they think just because we are KU, he'll stay. BFD, KU has been a successful program, but FAR fram elite. In fact, until this year, it could be argued that OSU had MORE RECENT success than KU in recent years. How exactly does that make KU elite? It doesn't.

are you reeruned?

because that post is reeruned....it doesn't mean you are reeruned, but it looks like a reerun and quacks like a reerun...

BigChiefFan · 04-08-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Kansas now has....5 National Championships, 13 Final Fours, 37 NCAA bids, 51 Conference Championships, and 36 20-win seasons.

What are OSU's numbers? Honestly, I'm asking.

OSU has TWO national championships. I have no idea, how many appearances they've made. Again, I'm just pointing out that KU isn't head and shoulders better than KU, especially when you can get MORE MONEY at the place you call home. I'm just think some let the KU bling blind them, to what is reality. Jayhawk fans prefer perception over reality. Their perception is that KU is in the final 4 every year.

04-08-2008, 09:51 AM

BigChiefFan - you're an alright dude and you're generally pretty reasonable.

I'm not a KU fan but you're off. It's an elite program.

However, I would be surprised if Self is at KU next year.

Brock · 04-08-2008, 09:52 AM

Ignoring facts doesn't make them not facts. Ignoring the fact that you're getting bitch-slapped in an argument doesn't mean you aren't getting bitch-slapped.

Just plain old country dumb.

BigChiefFan · 04-08-2008, 09:54 AM

I stand corrected-KU is THE ONLY job a coach should consider to make a name for himself. KU is the best-they should just change the name to the big jayhawk conference and not even play the games. Everyone should bow down to KU's utter greatness and vast superiority. Everybody knows KU is stellar and Lawrence is the best community in the world. How dare a coach even comtemplate going back to where he started.

BigChiefFan · 04-08-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

BigChiefFan - you're an alright dude and you're generally pretty reasonable.

I'm not a KU fan but you're off. It's an elite program.

However, I would be surprised if Self is at KU next year.

I know it is, I just like ruffling the feathers of the die-hard faithful.

**the Talking Can** · 04-08-2008, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I stand corrected-KU is THE ONLY job a coach should consider to make a name for himself. KU is the best-they should just change the name to the big jayhawk conference and not even play the games. Everyone should bow down to KU's utter greatness and vast superiority. Everybody knows KU is stellar and Lawrence is the best community in the world. How dare a coach even comtemplate going back to where he started.

well, when you get bitch slapped you should pull a "mecca"....

you poor little reerun...

Brock · 04-08-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I know it is, I just like ruffling the feathers of the die-hard faithful.

yeah, yeah...the old "I was just kidding" spin. Dumbfuck.

04-07-2008, 10:57 PM
KCChiefsMan AIC Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Roxbury, MA Casino cash: $10004900	I Am Sorry Mr. Self Dear Mr. Bill Self, I did not like you very much. I said some things about you that I wish I would not have said. I mentioned that you couldn't coach in game and that you were only a great recruiter. After Bucknell and Bradley in consecutive years, I wanted you gone. I even made a white T-Shirt saying "I Hate My Self" after the Bradley game and wore it around town a couple of times. Frankly, I wanted you out of here. I have just finished my dinner of burnt crow (shown below): Mr. Self, I hope you can accept my most sincere apology. If I could erase all the bad things I've said about you, I would. I know hindsight is always 20/20, but you deserved a full chance and I was impatient and didn't want to give you that chance. Once you got your team that you recruited 100%, you showed me what you are capable of. The script for this could not have been written any better. We got to the Sweet 16, facing this year's cinderella with the hottest player out there at that time and it was a nail biter, but we came out on top. Then we face our old coach, who most Jayhawk fans hate with a passion. You beat him against all odds (well, at least that's what sportscenter would have you believe.) Then to keep this team together while all seems lost with only a minute or so to go, being down by 7. It could have been easy for our players to give up at that point, but they were composed and Mario Chalmers, the son of your assistant, hit's that clutch 3 pointer to send us into overtime with momentum on our side. So Mr. Bill Self, I am extremely sorry for doubting you and I feel stupid for doing so. I hope you stay in Lawrence, KS until your career is finished. Thank You Bill Self, Paul University of Kansas Class of 2005
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04-08-2008, 09:51 AM	#55
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04-08-2008, 09:52 AM	#56
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