For all of you that don't think Autism is related to Vaccines

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIVHtbGiUw

Everyone I know with a child who has autism with the exception of one is the same way. Now go ahead and quote the AMA and the CDC now, they are looking out for you and your child. Ignore the tons of people right in front of you that are telling exactly what happened to their kid. For the billionth time I don't know what it is about the vaccines that is doing this for sure but it is what it is doing, period. There is no debate here just bunch of people working for big pharm out there putting out disinformation for the masses so they can continue making their BIG $$$$$.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by phisherman

probably the same reason that we don't know about some root in the amazon that when made into a tea will cure cancer, the almighty dollar. pharm is a multi-billion $ a year industry, there are plenty of reasons to keep easy cures covered up.

It's probably similar to the Oil industry. They buy up any patents that may be even the smallest competition and shelve them, ignoring the fact that it can save/help millions of people. They have a good thing going for them now so they're gonna ride it out and then later, maybe they'll look at some of these other ideas. They're motto is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" ....although we're becoming broke because of it.

[Iowanian]

"Big Pharm"...

Big Pharm Big Pharm. "they" "the govt"..."they"

Do you ever think about who "they" are?

I know a handful of people from college and life that are pharamcists, scientific researchers, genetics people...Some of them got into the profession because of the paycheck, but I'll wager more researchers than not got into the fields to research diseases to CURE them, not to make money for a company. Hell, the Republicans and Democrats who run "the govt" can't agree that water is wet.

If you become a researcher because your mother has Parkinsons disease, or your little sister has Cistic Fibrosis, You're busting your ass to CURE that disease.

Today, if 2 people know something, its not going to be a secret. When people quit, retire, get fired, become disgruntled...they throw all of the dirty laundry into public.

There is ZERO chance than "Big Pharm" or "the govt" can keep these things (cures for terrible diseases) under their hat....because "THEY" are made up of individual people, who go to work every day to do a job. Some go to work for the paycheck, but many have good intentions for a greater good. There is just no way to hide that.

If I'm a researcher because my sibling/child has Autism...and I'm part of a team that finds a cure...its not being hidden from the world.

This stuff to me is right up there with "the govt" did 911 so we could go to war" arguements.

I still would like to see a map or study of location data relating to Autism. Do some states/cities/regions have significant differences in ratios to others? If so, why? Does Autism exist in the Jungles of Africa? Maybe it does, but those kids are clubbed or considered witches? Do the coasts or large metro areas have higher ratios than the midwest rural community? Are there patterns to industry? Water Treatment types? Other diseases prevelent in the areas with higher autism rates.

I can for example point to a couple of small pockets in Iowa, or even within a county that have high concentrations of brain cancer or Kidney cancer....

[Iowanian]

Originally Posted by EyePod

It's probably similar to the Oil industry. They buy up any patents that may be even the smallest competition and shelve them, ignoring the fact that it can save/help millions of people. They have a good thing going for them now so they're gonna ride it out and then later, maybe they'll look at some of these other ideas. They're motto is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" ....although we're becoming broke because of it.

I've heard that a thousand times, and have wondered myself.

Can you find a link to 1 person who has had their world changing patent purchsed by "big oil"? Can they explain what the miracle was?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by EyePod

It's probably similar to the Oil industry. They buy up any patents that may be even the smallest competition and shelve them, ignoring the fact that it can save/help millions of people. They have a good thing going for them now so they're gonna ride it out and then later, maybe they'll look at some of these other ideas. They're motto is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" ....although we're becoming broke because of it.

[Mile High Mania]

Interesting topic... all 3 of our children have had regular vaccinations. I don't know of any friends who have not done the same thing with their kids. (knock on wood) Each of the children appear to be fine.

I won't add anything else to the conversation b/c I haven't researched it enough and there are obvious personal things being discussed here ... I don't want to come off the wrong way.

Our vaccinations (to the best of my knowledge have all been spread out) over time, never all at once.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

I've heard that a thousand times, and have wondered myself.

Can you find a link to 1 person who has had their world changing patent purchsed by "big oil"? Can they explain what the miracle was?

I'm not saying that it's a world changing patent. I'm just saying that it would help. Can you explain why all of the oil companies are also the leaders in next generation technology? (I'm a Chemical Engineering student and interviewed with several oil companies for a co-op. They are the ones that explained this situation to me).

This site has a bunch of articles talking about different times when companies have bought out patents and not used them. I'd like to see some sources, but I'm betting they didn't fabricate all of this info:

http://www.ev1.org/

I know of engineers who have told me of this going on. And I'm pretty sure I've seen articles talking about the different patents that Oil Companies own. I'll try and find it.

[MOhillbilly]

i just gave my kids dura-vet 7 way.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

"I still would like to see a map or study of location data relating to Autism. Do some states/cities/regions have significant differences in ratios to others?

Before 1985, there was a strong association between latitude and autism (the higher the latitude, the more likely autism was) among light skinned people in America. Darker skinned people have had (and still do) a higher chance of having autism. Again, this is in America as I don't have stats for other countries.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/healt...s-autism.shtml

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Interesting topic... all 3 of our children have had regular vaccinations. I don't know of any friends who have not done the same thing with their kids. (knock on wood) Each of the children appear to be fine.

I won't add anything else to the conversation b/c I haven't researched it enough and there are obvious personal things being discussed here ... I don't want to come off the wrong way.

Our vaccinations (to the best of my knowledge have all been spread out) over time, never all at once.

I know that myself and my girlfriend as babies had bad reactions to the P in the DPT shot. I think it all depends on the child, and really, I know it sucks but it also saves a lot of lives.

[jidar]

Originally Posted by phisherman

probably the same reason that we don't know about some root in the amazon that when made into a tea will cure cancer, the almighty dollar. pharm is a multi-billion $ a year industry, there are plenty of reasons to keep easy cures covered up.

hahahah wow. In a thread full of nuts, you win the cashew award for being the nuttiest.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by SLAG

Why the hell would any mother want to give her daughter that HPV vaccine especially at age 9, there should be no reason for a healthy young woman to have HPV, as long as she practices abstinence or gets married any only has 1 partner, I know that there are other causes of cervical cancer but Seriously, most are Sexually transmitted

errr...ummmm.....what percentage of younger women in America have that sexual background?

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

"Big Pharm"...

Big Pharm Big Pharm. "they" "the govt"..."they"

Do you ever think about who "they" are?

I know a handful of people from college and life that are pharamcists, scientific researchers, genetics people...Some of them got into the profession because of the paycheck, but I'll wager more researchers than not got into the fields to research diseases to CURE them, not to make money for a company. Hell, the Republicans and Democrats who run "the govt" can't agree that water is wet.

If you become a researcher because your mother has Parkinsons disease, or your little sister has Cistic Fibrosis, You're busting your ass to CURE that disease.

Today, if 2 people know something, its not going to be a secret. When people quit, retire, get fired, become disgruntled...they throw all of the dirty laundry into public.

There is ZERO chance than "Big Pharm" or "the govt" can keep these things (cures for terrible diseases) under their hat....because "THEY" are made up of individual people, who go to work every day to do a job. Some go to work for the paycheck, but many have good intentions for a greater good. There is just no way to hide that.

If I'm a researcher because my sibling/child has Autism...and I'm part of a team that finds a cure...its not being hidden from the world.

This stuff to me is right up there with "the govt" did 911 so we could go to war" arguements.

You're really messing up the tinfoil hats...

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by phisherman

probably the same reason that we don't know about some root in the amazon that when made into a tea will cure cancer, the almighty dollar. pharm is a multi-billion $ a year industry, there are plenty of reasons to keep easy cures covered up.

So, think about this now:

NO SENIOR OFFICER of a big pharm company has ever died from cancer, or had his kid die from cancer, or had his wife or other loved one die from cancer.

Unless you think these evil people are mind-controlled to keep this a secret even if it means the death of them or a loved one.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So, think about this now:

NO SENIOR OFFICER of a big pharm company has ever died from cancer, or had his kid die from cancer, or had his wife or other loved one die from cancer.

Unless you think these evil people are mind-controlled to keep this a secret even if it means the death of them or a loved one.

Hmm...

[vailpass]

As I read this I find myself feeling scared for the children who won't be vaccinated against diseases that have been all but eradicated thanks to vaccines.

I know you parents are doing what you feel is best for your children, as we all do, and commend you for taking initiative to research the situation and make your own decision regardless of the prevailing medical opinion.

May none ofyour children end up with anything that could have been prevented by vaccine, and may your goal of avoiding autism and other effects you perceive to be caused by vaccines be realized.