For all of you that don't think Autism is related to Vaccines

[BIG_DADDY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxIVHtbGiUw

Everyone I know with a child who has autism with the exception of one is the same way. Now go ahead and quote the AMA and the CDC now, they are looking out for you and your child. Ignore the tons of people right in front of you that are telling exactly what happened to their kid. For the billionth time I don't know what it is about the vaccines that is doing this for sure but it is what it is doing, period. There is no debate here just bunch of people working for big pharm out there putting out disinformation for the masses so they can continue making their BIG $$$$$.

[Amnorix]

Originally Posted by vailpass

As I read this I find myself feeling scared for the children who won't be vaccinated against diseases that have been all but eradicated thanks to vaccines.

I know you parents are doing what you feel is best for your children, as we all do, and commend you for taking initiative to research the situation and make your own decision regardless of the prevailing medical opinion.

May none ofyour children end up with anything that could have been prevented by vaccine, and may your goal of avoiding autism and other effects you perceive to be caused by vaccines be realized.

I agree. I don't know what vaccines in particular are being discussed, but vaccinations have all but wiped out former predators of humanity such as smallpox, polio and a host of other extremely serious diseases that used to kill a VERY significant percentage of the population.

To a degree, if a very small percentage of people forego vacinnations, then it may be fine as their chances of being infected are low because 99% of the rest of the population DOES have the vaccination.

But on an aggregate level, eliminating vaccines is very risky, adn the price is far too high.

[Mile High Mania]

All sorts of vids on YouTube for both sides of the debate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NjGi...eature=related

Seems like religion is being used as a reason for many.

[SLAG]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

errr...ummmm.....what percentage of younger women in America have that sexual background?

I understand its not the Norm- nor what society pushes upon these delicate young women, but the fact of the matter is that morality has declined and modesty has all but gone away.

What happened to Courting, then it turned into dating, then it turned into "hooking up", I feel it stems from the parents not taking enough time to properly raise their kids, if they were instilled proper reverence and respect for their bodies and others with Modesty being the main undertone then we could instill in our children some real values rather than garbage that they get fed from the media

[BucEyedPea]

It's the darn mercury in the junk. Mercury is still highly toxic. Would you put in your body as an adult? No. So why a young infant whose immunes system is not fully developed?
It's too many of these shots in a row at too young an age when their immune systems are developing. Do like they do in Japan...wait two years. Better safe than sorry. Besides I thought our gub'ment already ceded the mercury point.

[Iowanian]

They'll likely be fine, unless someone else who wasn't vaccinated visits a foreign country and brings back one of the preventable diseases, or an illegal alien with Hep doesn't wash his hands well enough after taking a dump and touches the kids dinner plate at Chuck E Cheese.

That is the fear I have in non-vaccinations. With all of the world travel, it takes the blink of an eye for an outbreak of something in Madagascar to make its way back to the US in bRainman's luggage, exposing everyone on the flight, at the airport and then dispersing to the 4 winds of the nation. Iowa has experienced outbreaks of Mumps, Measels and Hep from these very things in the past 3 years.

[NewChief]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

It's the darn mercury in the junk. Mercury is still highly toxic. Would you put in your body as an adult? No. So why a young infant whose immunes system is not fully developed?
It's too many of these shots in a row at too young an age when their immune systems are developing. Do like they do in Japan...wait two years. Better safe than sorry. Besides I thought our gub'ment already ceded the mercury point.

I'm pretty sure that most vaccines currently in use have no mercury. I know our doctor guaranteed that the ones they used had none.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by jspchief

End of thread. At least for me.

What exactly would be the motivation for every person associated with the CDC and AMA to cover this up?

Please tell me you're not that ****ing stupid.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

It's the darn mercury in the junk. Mercury is still highly toxic. Would you put in your body as an adult? No. So why a young infant whose immunes system is not fully developed?
It's too many of these shots in a row at too young an age when their immune systems are developing. Do like they do in Japan...wait two years. Better safe than sorry. Besides I thought our gub'ment already ceded the mercury point.

Mercury is not the only toxin either. Toxic metals are used as an adjuvant to get the immunity system in an upraoar so the vaccine will work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologic_adjuvant

[BIG_DADDY]

Ingredients in vaccines

Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary, Part 2
Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine
Includes vaccine ingredients (e.g., adjuvants and preservatives) as well as substances used during the manufacturing process,
including vaccine-production media, that are removed from the final product and present only in trace quantities.
In addition to the substances listed, most vaccines contain Sodium Chloride (table salt).
Vaccine Contains
Anthrax (BioThrax) Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Benzethonium Chloride, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Inorganic Salts and Sugars, Vitamins
BCG (Tice) Asparagine, Citric Acid, Lactose, Glycerin, Iron Ammonium Citrate,
Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Phosphate
DTaP (Daptacel) Aluminum Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Casamino Acid, Dimethyl-betacyclodextrin,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol
DTaP (Infanrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Glutaraldhyde, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80
DTaP (Tripedia)
Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Phosphate,
Thimerosal*
DTaP/Hib (TriHIBit) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Ammonium Sulfate, Bovine Extract,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Polysorbate 80, Sucrose, Thimerosal*
DTaP/HepB/IPV (Pediarix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Bovine Protein, Lactalbumin
Hydrolysate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldhyde, Monkey Kidney
Tissue, Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Polysorbate 80, Yeast
Protein
DT (sanofi) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Thimerosal (multi-dose) or Thimerosal* (single-dose)
DT (Massachusetts) Aluminum Hydroxide, Formaldehyde or Formalin
Hib (ACTHib) Ammonium Sulfate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sucrose
Hib (PedvaxHib) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate
Hib/Hep B (Comvax) Amino Acids, Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Sodium Borate, Soy Peptone, Yeast Protein
Hep A (Havrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Amino Acids, Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5
Cellular Protein, Neomycin Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers,
Polysorbate
Hep A (Vaqta) Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Bovine Albumin or Serum, DNA,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Sodium Borate
Hep B (Engerix-B) Aluminum Hydroxide, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal*, Yeast Protein
Hep B (Recombivax)
Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate, Amino Acids, Dextrose, Formaldehyde
or Formalin, Mineral Salts, Potassium Aluminum Sulfate, Soy Peptone, Yeast
Protein
HepA/HepB (Twinrix)
Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Amino Acids, Dextrose,
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Inorganic Salts, MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Neomycin
Sulfate, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Phosphate Buffers, Polysorbate 20, Thimerosal*,
Vitamins, Yeast Protein
Vaccine Contains
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)
(Gardasil)
Amino Acids, Amorphous Aluminum Hydroxyphosphate Sulfate,
Carbohydrates, L-histidine, Mineral Salts, Polysorbate 80, Sodium Borate,
Vitamins
Influenza (Afluria)
Beta-Propiolactone, Calcium Chloride, Neomycin, Ovalbumin, Polymyxin B,
Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium
Taurodeoxychoalate.
Influenza (Fluarix)
Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Gentamicin, Hydrocortisone, Octoxynol-10, "-Tocopheryl Hydrogen Succinate,
Polysorbate 80, Sodium Deoxycholate, Sodium Phosphate, Thimerosal*
Influenza (Flulaval) Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sodium
Deoxycholate, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal
Influenza (Fluvirin)
Beta-Propiolactone , Egg Protein, Neomycin, Polymyxin B, Polyoxyethylene 9-
10 Nonyl Phenol (Triton N-101, Octoxynol 9), Thimerosal (multidose
containers), Thimerosal* (single-dose syringes)
Influenza (Fluzone) Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Octoxinol-9 (Triton X-100),
Thimerosal (multidose containers)
Influenza (FluMist) Chick Kidney Cells, Egg Protein, Gentamicin Sulfate, Monosodium Glutamate,
Sucrose Phosphate Glutamate Buffer
IPV (Ipol) Calf Serum Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Monkey Kidney Tissue,
Neomycin, 2-Phenoxyethanol, Polymyxin B, Streptomycin,
Japanese Encephalitis
(JE-Vax)
Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Mouse Serum Protein, Polysorbate 80,
Thimerosal
Measles (Attenuvax)
Amino Acid, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chick Embryo Fibroblasts, Gelatin,
Glutamate, Human Albumin, Neomycin, Phosphate, Sodium Phosphate,
Sorbitol, Sucrose, Vitamins
Meningococcal (Menactra) Formaldehyde or Formalin, Phosphate Buffers
Meningococcal (Menomune) Lactose, Thimerosal (10-dose vials only)
Mumps (Mumpsvax)
Amino Acid, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chick Embryo Fibroblasts, Human
Serum Albumin, Gelatin, Glutamate, Neomycin, Phosphate Buffers, Sorbitol,
Sucrose, Vitamins
MMR (MMR-II)
Amino Acid, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chick Embryo Fibroblasts, Human
Serum Albumin, Gelatin, Glutamate, Neomycin, Phosphate Buffers, Sorbitol,
Sucrose, Vitamins
MMRV (ProQuad)
Bovine Albumin or Serum, Gelatin, Human Serum Albumin, Monosodium Lglutamate,
MRC-5 Cellular Protein, Neomycin, Sodium Phosphate Dibasic,
Sodium Bicarbonate, Sorbitol, Sucrose, Potassium Phosphate Monobasic,
Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate Dibasic
Pneumococcal (Pneumovax) Bovine Protein, Phenol
Pneumococcal (Prevnar) Aluminum Phosphate, Amino Acid, Soy Peptone, Yeast Extract
Rabies (Imovax) Human Serum Albumin, Beta-Propiolactone, MRC-5 Cellular Protein,
Neomycin, Phenol Red (Phenolsulfonphthalein), Vitamins
Vaccine Contains
Rabies (RabAvert)
Amphotericin B, Beta-Propiolactone, Bovine Albumin or Serum, Chicken
Protein, Chlortetracycline, Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Ethylenediamine-
Tetraacetic Acid Sodium (EDTA), Neomycin, Potassium Glutamate
Rotavirus (RotaTeq) Cell Culture Media, Fetal Bovine Serum, Sodium Citrate, Sodium Phosphate
Monobasic Monohydrate, Sodium Hydroxide Sucrose, Polysorbate 80
Rotavirus (Rotarix)
Amino Acids, Calcium Carbonate, Calcium Chloride, D-glucose, Dextran,
Ferric (III) Nitrate, L-cystine, L-tyrosine, Magnesium Sulfate, Phenol Red,
Potassium Chloride, Sodium Hydrogenocarbonate, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium
L-glutamine, Sodium Pyruvate, Sorbitol, Sucrose, Vitamins, Xanthan
Rubella (Meruvax II) Bovine Albumin or Serum, Gelatin, Human Serum Albumin, Neomycin,
Phosphate Buffers, Sodium Phosphate, Sorbitol
Td (Decavac) Aluminum Potassium Sulfate, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin, 2-
Phenoxyethanol, Peptone, Thimerosal*
Td (Massachusetts) Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Phosphate, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Thimerosal (some multidose containers)
Tdap (Adacel) Aluminum Phosphate, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Glutaraldehyde, 2-
Phenoxyethanol
Tdap (Boostrix) Aluminum Hydroxide, Bovine Extract, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Glutaraldehyde, Polysorbate 80
Typhoid (inactivated –
Typhim Vi)
Disodium Phosphate, Monosodium Phosphate, Phenol, Polydimethylsilozone,
Hexadecyltrimethylammonium Bromide
Typhoid (oral – Ty21a) Amino Acids, Ascorbic Acid, Bovine Protein, Casein, Dextrose, Galactose,
Gelatin, Lactose, Magnesium Stearate, Sucrose, Yeast Extract
Vaccinia (ACAM2000) Glycerin, Human Serum Albumin, Mannitol, Monkey Kidney Cells, Neomycin,
Phenol, Polymyxin B
Varicella (Varivax)
Bovine Albumin or Serum, Ethylenediamine-Tetraacetic Acid Sodium (EDTA),
Gelatin, Monosodium L-Glutamate, MRC-5 DNA and Cellular Protein,
Neomycin, Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate Monobasic, Sodium
Phosphate Monobasic, Sucrose
Yellow Fever (YF-Vax) Egg Protein, Gelatin, Sorbitol
Zoster (Zostavax)
Bovine Calf Serum, Hydrolyzed Porcine Gelatin, Monosodium L-glutamate,
MRC-5 DNA and Cellular Protein, Neomycin, Potassium Phosphate
Monobasic, Potassium Chloride, Sodium Phosphate Dibasic, Sucrose
April 2008
*Where “thimerosal” is marked with an asterisk (*) it indicates that the product should be considered equivalent to
thimerosal-free products. This vaccine may contain trace amounts (<3 mcg) of mercury left after post-production
thimerosal removal, but these amounts have no biological effect. JAMA 1999;282(18) and JAMA 2000;283(16)
Adapted from Grabenstein JD. ImmunoFacts: Vaccines & Immunologic Drugs. St. Louis, MO: Wolters Kluwer
Health Inc.; 2006 and individual products’ package inserts.
All reasonable efforts have been made to ensure the accuracy of this information, but manufacturers may change
product contents before that information is reflected here.

[Iowanian]

How can you act like everyone who doesn't agree with your position is a moron? You have enough reason to be skeptical, but there isn't a lot of Proof that your position is correct either BD.

I'm trying to recall if your positions have been as concerned about other substances people put into their bodies that are potentially harmful.

Do you really believe, there is some Mass consipracy between the govt, all of the competing pharma corporations, researchers, doctors and public health officials to allow something known to cause Autism to be mandated to be injected into children?

Do you know how much this affliction costs the govt? Do you know how much money is spent researching it?

Keep in mind, this is the same govt that will mandate helmets for bicycles, recall a toy because it *might* have caused an injury....


It just doesn't add up. Its not conceivable or logical, and it comes off boarderline irrational.

[BIG_DADDY]

Vaccines or jail?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/17/mar...s/#cnnSTCVideo

[Chiefnj2]

Is the government liable for the poorly manufactured helmet? Do they face potential liability for approving a vaccine under the FDA?

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

How can you act like everyone who doesn't agree with your position is a moron? You have enough reason to be skeptical, but there isn't a lot of Proof that your position is correct either BD.

.

What is my position?

To pretend that executives from big pharm that go to work for the AMA and CDC don't care about corporate profits is ridiculous. To pretend there is no motivating factor when billions are being made by big pharm is what, intelligent?

[Iowanian]

Your position appears to be that anyone who has their children vaccinated is begging for a case of autism for their child, and is a moron for not listening to your logical arguements, complete with overwhelming proof of the causation of the disease, and that the Govt, medical industry, research industry are allied in a huge conspiracy to pollute the children of the world with toxic materials for monetary gain....and that they have so much control that everyone is keeping their mouth shut "for the corporations" and "the government".


The Executives might have those motivations....to make profit. Its their job. the reasearchers and the gears that make the wheels turn however, I don't believe would ever stand for such an attoricity.

[BIG_DADDY]

How Vaccines are Made



A recent report from BBC News outlined in very simple terms some of the procedures involved in vaccine production, which most people are completely unaware of. Very likely, most people have an "out of sight - out of mind" mentality when it comes to vaccines. All they see is a clear liquid in a syringe and they don't want to know what is really in there or how it got there.

Particularly surprising to many people might be the wide use of animal-based ingredients used to mass-produce vaccines. This has caused some problems is the past and continues today. Recently, a "scare" has arisen in Europe when it was discovered that some polio vaccines were made using cells from calf fetuses that were possibly infected with BSE (Mad Cow disease).

This type of scare is not a new phenomenon. Back in the 1950's it was discovered that polio vaccines contained a monkey virus known as Simian Virus 40 (SV40). Millions were given the contaminated vaccines before it was replaced. Now there are reports that SV40 is turning up in human cancers.

Virus Nurseries

One of the main uses of animal cells is as "nurseries" for the modified viruses that constitute the main or "active" ingredient of a vaccine.

The animal cells serve as medium in which the virus in question will replicate and produce more copies of itself.

Scientists have various "cell lines", which are "immortal" cells that can keep on dividing indefinitely. These cells are derived originally from a variety of animal and human sources, including monkeys, hamsters, chicken fetuses or even human fetuses.

Vaccine Soup

However, this is not the only use of animal-derived substances.

The virus-infected cells are bathed in a "soup" made up of ingredients such as glucose for energy, and other chemicals such as growth factors, which can help the cells to develop faster.

Although human growth factors can be extracted, these do not provide as reliable or cost-effective results as other sources, such as fetal calf serum, which is widely used.

Dr Deborah Scopes, a spokesman for the British Society of Immunology, said of the vaccine 'soup': "It's a big broth which helps growth."

Once sufficient numbers of the virus have been replicated, the manufacturers use complex filtration and purification processes to try to remove as much of the substances other than the viruses from the vaccine.

"You don't want to produce an immune response to cow tissue - you want to produce the biggest immune response possible to the viruses, to make the vaccine effective," said Dr. Scopes