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Matt Ryan: 5th pick in the draft 35 36.46%
Brian Brohm: 1st rounder 15 15.63%
Joe Flacco: 2nd – 3rd rounder 19 19.79%
Chad Henne: 2nd – 3rd rounder 15 15.63%
Andre Woodson: 2nd – 3rd rounder 10 10.42%
John David Booty: 2nd – 3rd rounder 4 4.17%
Colt Brennan: Mid rounder 10 10.42%
Erik Ainge: Mid rounder 8 8.33%
Other 8 8.33%
I don’t like any of the QBs in this year’s class 13 13.54%
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Old 04-12-2008, 04:39 PM   #1
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Other than Mecca whom I have had this argument with already....

Any of you who have suggested that we take Brohm in the second or Woodson in Round 3, I would like to hear what you think their upside is, and what they have over Brody Croyle?

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Old 04-12-2008, 04:43 PM   #2
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I'd like to know what Croyle has, he reminds me of the long line of guys with big arms who sucked as QB's, it doesn't help that he can't stay on the field to save his life...

Really strong arm, injury prone, other than that what's he got?
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:11 PM   #3
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I'd like to know what Croyle has, he reminds me of the long line of guys with big arms who sucked as QB's, it doesn't help that he can't stay on the field to save his life...

Really strong arm, injury prone, other than that what's he got?
What does Ryan got other than an NFL body?
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:24 PM   #4
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dennis dixon. I'd be a fan of him being a fifth or sixth round pick. he was the best QB in the ncaa for a long while last year.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:26 PM   #5
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Ryan completed about as many passes as Croyle threw with no supporting cast.....people like Croyle cause he's a QB the Chiefs drafted nothing more. He is still the same thing he has always been a big armed guy that will never stay on the field...

I don't care if you love Croyle with everything in your being, if you really believe that man will ever play 16 games in a season or is remotely as good a prospect as Ryan you're so far out there.

Then you are valuing him for the same shit that people rip the Raiders for, his pure arm and nothing else. Because Ryan is better at EVERYTHING else. I'll take the guy who does everything without the huge arm, most of the best QB's right now don't have giant arms.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:39 PM   #6
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people like Croyle cause he's a QB the Chiefs drafted nothing more.
You are so sure about this. Just like you are so sure Ryan is a can't miss QB. But what shoots your theory out of the water is that I for one was pretty high on Croyle during his pre-draft days. So were many others on this bb. Just because you hadn't heard of him doesn't mean the rest of us hadn't either. Mecca does not know Japanese. So, Japan does not exist.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:30 PM   #7
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I could give rat's ass about his big arm. Croyle has what it takes IMO to be a winning NFL quarterback, is he a hall of fame type. No. But a Trent Green/Matt Hasselback type career. Yes.

And unless you are Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, I doubt you wil see that many quarterbacks last season after season every game.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:35 PM   #8
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I could give rat's ass about his big arm. Croyle has what it takes IMO to be a winning NFL quarterback, is he a hall of fame type. No. But a Trent Green/Matt Hasselback type career. Yes.

And unless you are Brett Favre or Peyton Manning, I doubt you wil see that many quarterbacks last season after season every game.
Brodie Croyle played what 6 games and got injured twice......that guy has an injury history and it is never going away, some guys have it.

If there is one position on the field that it is very much a key factor for a guy to be on the field every week it's that one. You can't have a starting QB that misses 6 games every year or more.

I don't see it with him, I see a guy people like cause he's a nice kid and they want him to succeed but I still see a guy who's body will never allow him to be a starting player, he's not durable at all.

To me his future is as a nice backup....he'll never be able to be relied upon to go out there every week and if he is it's foolish.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:37 PM   #9
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Brodie Croyle played what 6 games and got injured twice......that guy has an injury history and it is never going away, some guys have it.

If there is one position on the field that it is very much a key factor for a guy to be on the field every week it's that one. You can't have a starting QB that misses 6 games every year or more.

I don't see it with him, I see a guy people like cause he's a nice kid and they want him to succeed but I still see a guy who's body will never allow him to be a starting player, he's not durable at all.

To me his future is as a nice backup....he'll never be able to be relied upon to go out there every week and if he is it's foolish.
I guess he will agree to disagree, wont be the first time and sure as hell wont be the last.
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:38 PM   #10
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Give me a team that wins with a injury prone QB that consistently misses games...
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:50 PM   #11
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Give me a team that wins with a injury prone QB that consistently misses games...

haha....We've had this discussion before.

McNabb, the Eages.




But im with you, I like Ryan and i hope the Chiefs draft him. The NFL is a QB driven league.
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:00 PM   #12
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I think Ryan compares very well to Eli Manning actually......and there would have been 0 debate on if the Chiefs should take him or not.

I really don't like arguing with Frankie just because I think he'd trade down and draft 7 offensive lineman if he was a GM, that's how he reads to me with some of those ridiculous views he spouts.
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:38 PM   #13
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I just wish people would make up their mind on what they want as a QB, I watch people rip on Russell who is the all the physical tools in the world you could want a guy to have prospect, and now I watch people rip on Ryan who is the all intangibles very good physical skills guy.....

Well um which kinda QB do you want because you aren't gonna get both that comes along once in what 40 years?

Also I seem to recall everyone wanting the Chiefs to pick Quinn as he was falling....now here we are the QB situation is no better, all that we know is Croyle confirmed he still gets injured and now no one wants a QB?

Ryan is a better prospect than Quinn in my book.
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Old 04-12-2008, 06:43 PM   #14
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Well um which kinda QB do you want because you aren't gonna get both that comes along once in what 40 years?
As far as I can tell, he wont be worthy of being the "Mighty KC Chiefs QBoTF" unless hes the 2nd coming of John Elway, Troy Aikman, Joe Montana and Dan Marino all rolled into one.
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:00 AM   #15
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As far as I can tell, he wont be worthy of being the "Mighty KC Chiefs QBoTF" unless hes the 2nd coming of John Elway, Troy Aikman, Joe Montana and Dan Marino all rolled into one.
What's wrong with that? We are picking in the top 5. The kind of QBOTF Ryan represents we already have on the roster. Neither Croyle nor Ryan is a cinch. But we cannot afford to waste a top 5 pick on an INT-tossing maybe while we have gaping holes in other positions (especially O-line).
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