If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5

[CanadaKC]

I can't see Jake Long dropping to us...Dorsey and Chris Long will be gone...all the other OT's are a reach with this pick...Edwards is apparantly in love with the guy...I can see it coming...

[Chiefnj2]

[QUOTE=kcchiefsfanGoLJ;4705523]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

IMHO, a 4-3 team will be better off with Harvey than Gholston. Gholston is a top 15 pick because of his workouts, not because of game film.[/QUOTE]

So his two sacks on Jake Long where he just destroyed Long really doesn't matter, I mean Jake long isn't very good right? Every one of his knocks have been posted in this thread about 10 times over. You can find negatives on any player out there. You act as if Gholston was some scrub who just went to the combine put up some good numbers and vaulted himself in the first round. If you didn't hear Gholstons name throughout the season then you either dont watch college football or dont listen to any talk radio. He isnt some flash in the pan.

He had a great game against Long. No doubt about it. What about the last two championship games? The Illinois game? Other games where he disappeared against unknown players?

[melbar]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ

Well what? You can make an excuse for anything. I could say well he didn't dominate because he was just one piece of the best defense in the country last year. Rated either first or second in 11 defensive categories, he played with arguably the best LB and CB in the country. He played on a line that was very deep, and our defense was very good at stopping the run. Did you even watch the BCS, Gholston pressured Flynn all night and was double teamed all night as well. Like I previously stated Flynn did a heck of a job avoiding sacks and getting rid of the ball. So since Dorsey didn't dominate the BCS game either should we not pick him because he didn't have 20 tackles and 10 sacks like you think anyone buddy who is good on the line should get?

You were border line lame with half of the stuff you posted earlier in this thread, and now your just lame. We get the point you don't like Gholston and think he is very overrated, you said what you thought, and everyone knows what you think. So now if you could do us a favor and shut up about it, you would be a lot less annoying.

That first part reminds me of Sims. Benifiting from great players around him.

So what are you saying at the bottom? Sit down and if you dont like Gholston, but those of you who have a hard on for him are free to speak?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by melbar

That first part reminds me of Sims. Benifiting from great players around him.

So what are you saying at the bottom? Sit down and if you dont like Gholston, but those of you who have a hard on for him are free to speak?

There isn't anyone within 100 light years of Julius Peppers' talent on the OSU dline playing with Gholston. LBs and CBs are extremely talented, but LBs and CBs benefit from stellar DL play much more than a DE/DT benefits from great LB or secondary play.

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ

Well what? You can make an excuse for anything. I could say well he didn't dominate because he was just one piece of the best defense in the country last year. Rated either first or second in 11 defensive categories, he played with arguably the best LB and CB in the country. He played on a line that was very deep, and our defense was very good at stopping the run. Did you even watch the BCS, Gholston pressured Flynn all night and was double teamed all night as well. Like I previously stated Flynn did a heck of a job avoiding sacks and getting rid of the ball. So since Dorsey didn't dominate the BCS game either should we not pick him because he didn't have 20 tackles and 10 sacks like you think anyone buddy who is good on the line should get?

You were border line lame with half of the stuff you posted earlier in this thread, and now your just lame. We get the point you don't like Gholston and think he is very overrated, you said what you thought, and everyone knows what you think. So now if you could do us a favor and shut up about it, you would be a lot less annoying.

Why are you so bitter at someone going against your beloved buckeye player? I am not afraid to admit when there is a MU Tiger that is good, but over-rated. Why can't O$U fans admit that.

So lame is stating raw facts, I guess it would have been better if it would have been put in proper context, right? or is lame just not thinking the same way you do regarding O$U football?

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

There isn't anyone within 100 light years of Julius Peppers' talent on the OSU dline playing with Gholston. LBs and CBs are extremely talented, but LBs and CBs benefit from stellar DL play much more than a DE/DT benefits from great LB or secondary play.

And that is what the Chiefs were trying to do with all of the drafting of the d-linemen in the last 3 - 4 years, they just were successful in executing thier plan successfully.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

is Ghoulston really the next Merriman?

seems like after Merriman, everyone is searching for the next "Merriman" and guys who aren't as good have their value inflated..wasn't Merriman the #17-ish pick?

same with Adrien Peterson...because of him people are hot for McFadden when there is little reason or evidence to draft any RB that high...

I'd still much rather have Ellis than Ghoulston, if we aren't going to take Ryan....simply based on the value of their positions and wanting to finally shore up the middle of our defense

Gholston is a much better prospect than Merriman.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by melbar

That first part reminds me of Sims. Benifiting from great players around him.

So what are you saying at the bottom? Sit down and if you dont like Gholston, but those of you who have a hard on for him are free to speak?

Uhhh NO! Im talking to bkkcoh, we have alread argued about many points over Gholston, he seems to want to bring up the same points over and over again and then wants me to reply like I have to defend myself. Your free to like or dislike whoever you want to, but after you made your point, is there anything for you to gain to continually argue over points that you already made? I could give a rats ass who likes Gholston and who doesn't to be honest, I just get tired of people who bring up the same point over and over and continue to beat the dead horse into the ground. Yes I realize no one is forcing me to read this garbage but it is very annoying from my point of view.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gholston is a much better prospect than Merriman.

fine by me, if its true....

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Gholston is a much better prospect than Merriman.

Im thinking you want gholston at #5, who else would you rather have if we don't pick him

I like the potential he offers

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I want to know how Gholston's stock is elevated by those shitty teams he played against like Michigan and Wisconsin, where he had a combined 7 sacks.

Boy, those D-III programs really inflated his numbers.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Why are you so bitter at someone going against your beloved buckeye player? I am not afraid to admit when there is a MU Tiger that is good, but over-rated. Why can't O$U fans admit that.

So lame is stating raw facts, I guess it would have been better if it would have been put in proper context, right? or is lame just not thinking the same way you do regarding O$U football?



And that is what the Chiefs were trying to do with all of the drafting of the d-linemen in the last 3 - 4 years, they just were successful in executing thier plan successfully.

You seriously are a joke, I think you posted one post that actually had stats in it. Once again I dont give a rats ass if you dont like Gholston. I would just appreciate if I didn't have to treat you like an ADD kid and give you attention everytime you post something new and then say WELL? Maybe I should write in crayon so you can follow with me better, would that be more benficial to you?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Im thinking you want gholston at #5, who else would you rather have if we don't pick him

I like the potential he offers

I took him at #1 in our CP mock draft. After that I'd go this way:

Dorsey
Ellis
C. Long
Ryan
Keith Rivers
Chris Williams
Shoot myself in the face
Ryan Clady
Branden Albert

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I want to know how Gholston's stock is elevated by those shitty teams he played against like Michigan and Wisconsin, where he had a combined 7 sacks.

Boy, those D-III programs really inflated his numbers.

.

[Sure-Oz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I took him at #1 in our CP mock draft. After that I'd go this way:

Dorsey
Ellis
C. Long
Ryan
Keith Rivers
Chris Williams
Shoot myself in the face
Ryan Clady
Branden Albert

7th choice i wouldnt want clady and albert at 5 either

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by melbar

That first part reminds me of Sims. Benifiting from great players around him.

So what are you saying at the bottom? Sit down and if you dont like Gholston, but those of you who have a hard on for him are free to speak?

You know why you should ?? Because after being told multiple times that your take was bullshit, you still had the dumbassery to suggest that Gholston lacks a motor when his non-stop motor was right on any reputable scouting report you'd find about him.

If he was benefitting so much, why did LSU design their entire gameplan around stopping/neutralizing Gholston?

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by kcchiefsfanGoLJ

You seriously are a joke, I think you posted one post that actually had stats in it. Once again I dont give a rats ass if you dont like Gholston. I would just appreciate if I didn't have to treat you like an ADD kid and give you attention everytime you post something new and then say WELL? Maybe I should write in crayon so you can follow with me better, would that be more benficial to you?

Seriously, why do you have to be so condescending in your tone? if I irritate you so much, just ignore me.

It ISN"T that I think Gholstson isn't a good player, IMHO, and it is just that, an opinion, he isn't worthy of a top 5 pick. I would love to see him go to Oakland and fail horribly. But that isn't because he is an O$U player, I want to see Oakland fail horribly.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I want to know how Gholston's stock is elevated by those shitty teams he played against like Michigan and Wisconsin, where he had a combined 7 sacks.

Boy, those D-III programs really inflated his numbers.

The only reason his stock has elevated is that his numbers were staggering and opened some eyes. How many players who have been known, but had a great workout at the combine or college's pro days, been a flop at the pro level.

He didn't play well enough against Youngstown State to have his numbers elevated.......