If JA is traded...Gholston is our pick at 5

[CanadaKC]

I can't see Jake Long dropping to us...Dorsey and Chris Long will be gone...all the other OT's are a reach with this pick...Edwards is apparantly in love with the guy...I can see it coming...

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

The only reason his stock has elevated is that his numbers were staggering and opened some eyes. How many players who have been known, but had a great workout at the combine or college's pro days, been a flop at the pro level.

He didn't play well enough against Youngstown State to have his numbers elevated.......

I have officially seen it all. A prospects performance against the #1 overall pick and the Michigan Wolverines is less important than what numbers he put up against Youngstown State


YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Im thinking you want gholston at #5, who else would you rather have if we don't pick him

I like the potential he offers

At #5, I think it would be a waste to draft on potential! With the state of the Chiefs, they can't really afford to do that.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Seriously, why do you have to be so condescending in your tone? if I irritate you so much, just ignore me.

It ISN"T that I think Gholstson isn't a good player, IMHO, and it is just that, an opinion, he isn't worthy of a top 5 pick. I would love to see him go to Oakland and fail horribly. But that isn't because he is an O$U player, I want to see Oakland fail horribly.

Im not condescending, more or less irritated. I would ignore you but this is the first thread that you have annoyed me in, and likewise I probably have annoyed you. All Im saying is that once you make your point, that you think someone isn't any good, then you hear the rebuttal is there any reason to keep rehashing things you have already posted and been answered on? I understand people aren't going to agree 100% of the time online, it's a cultural boiling pot of opinions and personalities, thats what half the fun is. Sometimes you have to realize you are getting no further on a certain subject and just drop it which is what I have tried to do, yet my actions did not pay off, as I have posted yet again.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

At #5, I think it would be a waste to draft on potential! With the state of the Chiefs, they can't really afford to do that.

What potential?

The guy had 14 sacks in a better conference than Chris Long, and he's a much better athlete.

This isn't like we are drafting Mike Mamula.

You can't just try and draft Tamba Hali every time and expect to build a championship team. When you are drafting early you need to draft difference makers, and that's something Gholston is and Long will never be.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I have officially seen it all. A prospects performance against the #1 overall pick and the Michigan Wolverines is less important than what numbers he put up against Youngstown State


YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS

Now THAT'S ****ing funny right there.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by bkkcoh

Seriously, why do you have to be so condescending in your tone? if I irritate you so much, just ignore me.

It ISN"T that I think Gholstson isn't a good player, IMHO, and it is just that, an opinion, he isn't worthy of a top 5 pick. I would love to see him go to Oakland and fail horribly. But that isn't because he is an O$U player, I want to see Oakland fail horribly.




The only reason his stock has elevated is that his numbers were staggering and opened some eyes. How many players who have been known, but had a great workout at the combine or college's pro days, been a flop at the pro level.

He didn't play well enough against Youngstown State to have his numbers elevated.......

What a moot point.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You know why you should ?? Because after being told multiple times that your take was bullshit, you still had the dumbassery to suggest that Gholston lacks a motor when his non-stop motor was right on any reputable scouting report you'd find about him.

If he was benefitting so much, why did LSU design their entire gameplan around stopping/neutralizing Gholston?

I know I am going to regret posting this, but this is just his weaknesses from the NFLDraftCountdown site...

Weaknesses:
Needs to be more consistent...Questionable awareness and instincts...Undersized if he were to play defensive end...Does not have a lot of experience dropping into coverage...Has some work to do when it comes to technique...May have to learn a new position at the pro level...At times he gets by on his natural ability...Does not have an elite burst...Some durability issues...A better athlete than football player?

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What potential?

The guy had 14 sacks in a better conference than Chris Long, and he's a much better athlete.

This isn't like we are drafting Mike Mamula.

You can't just try and draft Tamba Hali every time and expect to build a championship team. When you are drafting early you need to draft difference makers, and that's something Gholston is and Long will never be.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Coogs

I know I am going to regret posting this, but this is just his weaknesses from the NFLDraftCountdown site...

Weaknesses:
Needs to be more consistent...Questionable awareness and instincts...Undersized if he were to play defensive end...Does not have a lot of experience dropping into coverage...Has some work to do when it comes to technique...May have to learn a new position at the pro level...At times he gets by on his natural ability...Does not have an elite burst...Some durability issues...A better athlete than football player?

You're regretting that you didn't post the whole thing. It looks pretty contradictory to me.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're regretting that you didn't post the whole thing. It looks pretty contradictory to me.

Good old Coogs wouldn't do that, would he?

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You're regretting that you didn't post the whole thing. It looks pretty contradictory to me.

No that is not why I would regret posting something in a Gholston thread. The reason I would regret it is because I don't enjoy being cussed at because I have a different opinion. That is one thing about the Planet that I do not like.

And yes it is contradictory. Nearly every single writeup on every single player is that way.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Coogs

No that is not why I would regret posting something in a Gholston thread. The reason I would regret it is because I don't enjoy being cussed at because I have a different opinion. That is one thing about the Planet that I do not like.

And yes it is contradictory. Nearly every single writeup on every single player is that way.

Exactly.

So just pointing out the negatives is a bit disingenuous, isn't it?

I have no problem with your opinion, you're definitely entitled to it.

But me and the majority of the free world don't agree with it.

And, as Herm would say, at the end of the day, it's OK.

[Chiefnj2]

newerascouting questions his consistency:

Additional Comments: Visually, there isn’t a doubt that Gholston is the most impressive player in the draft. He’s built incredibly strong and is a fast, pass rushing force. Dig a little deeper, though, and you find a player who is somewhat one-dimensional. During his final season, Gholston only registered 15.5 tackles for a loss with eight coming in two games (Wisconsin, Michigan). Gholston needs to become more consistent. He’ll struggle against the run and doesn’t always pursue when the play is far away. He’s shown the ability to be either a 4-3 end or a 3-4 rush linebacker. He’s fast off the snap and agile. He’s also shown the ability to drop back in coverage, but it shouldn’t be considered too much of an asset.

[Chiefnj2]

The Sporting News' breakdown of Gholston when the college season ended and before workouts:

War Room analysis
Against the run: Shows flashes of being a solid run stuffer, but is inconsistent and gets swallowed up by big blockers. Struggles to maintain leverage on the corner; seems to only want to rush upfield. Takes plays off. Must get stronger. Grade: 6.0

Pass rush: Has NFL speed. Gets upfield in a hurry to disrupt the pocket. Shows a variety of pass-rush moves that rely on agility, but will not be able to bull rush many NFL linemen. Grade: 8.0

Initial quickness: When focused, shows explosive quickness off the snap; is inconsistent, though. When opponents run at him play after play, seems to slow down by the fourth quarter. After initial move, tends to go half-speed. Grade: 7.5

Run/pass recognition: Seems locked in on pass rush, and is slow to react to runs. Rarely moves well laterally to chase plays, laboring down the line unless ballcarrier comes back to him. Even when keying on the run, struggles to help much and will blow containment assignments. Grade: 6.0

Pursuit/tackling: Is biggest area of concern. Is slow in pursuit, and does not hustle to the opposite sideline. When focused, was a dominant college player; however, he often disappeared in games. Is a good tackler when playing hard, but is inconsistent. Grade: 6.0

Bottom line: Gholston could fit in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme and has the size and speed to be productive at defensive end, defensive tackle or rush linebacker. A dynamic athlete, Gholston can dominate some games and disappear totally in others. Many NFL teams will be wary of his inconsistent effort and focus. He is sure to wow GMs and coaches in pre-draft workouts, so some team surely will draft him much higher than his on-field production warrants. Gholston should be used only as a pass-rush specialist for a year or two as he develops

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly.

So just pointing out the negatives is a bit disingenuous, isn't it?

I have no problem with your opinion, you're definitely entitled to it.

But me and the majority of the free world don't agree with it.

And, as Herm would say, at the end of the day, it's OK.

He only asked for something pointing out he took plays off... or something along those lines, I'm not going to look it up again.

And I really don't care that I go out on a limb by myself or a with a limited few. I just don't appreciate being refered to as a "dumbass" or something along those lines for having my own opinion.