Chiefs OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum.

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 10:56 AM

I cannot remember a previous Third Round pick ever "deserving" so much time, patience and opportunity.

I'm tired of the readymade excuses for Brodie Croyle as well.

Frankie · 05-14-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I cannot remember a previous Third Round pick ever "deserving" so much time, patience and opportunity.

I'm tired of the readymade excuses for Brodie Croyle as well.

Last I checked, 3rd was one of the top rounds.

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Last I checked, 3rd was one of the top rounds.

Teams don't commit as much time, patience, and opportunity to Third Round picks as some Chiefs fans would like to give Croyle.

No Third Round pick taken this year will be afforded the kind of coddling people in Chiefs kingdom are calling for as it relates to Croyle. They'll have to earn that time, patience, and opportunity.

Frankie · 05-14-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Teams don't commit as much time, patience, and opportunity to Third Round picks as some Chiefs fans would like to give Croyle.

No Third Round pick taken this year will be afforded the kind of coddling people in Chiefs kingdom are calling for as it relates to Croyle. They'll have to earn that time, patience, and opportunity.

So you think Croyle has already been given all opportunities to succeed. Most of the rest of us don't.

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

So you think Croyle has already been given all opportunities to succeed. Most of the rest of us don't.

I believe he was given ample opportunity...
And he didn't answer the bell.

Nightfyre · 05-14-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I believe he was given ample opportunity...
And he didn't answer the bell.

You guys are so full of shit. From the other thread.

All this "croyle can't win" is bogus. If you claim to be able to know by now, you are ignorant as hell, and I blame you for our consistent one-and-outs in the playoffs.

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.

beach tribe · 05-14-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

You guys are so full of shit. From the other thread.

All this "croyle can't win" is bogus. If you claim to be able to know by now, you are ignorant as hell, and I blame you for our consistent one-and-outs in the playoffs.

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.

You CAN'T argue with that.

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.

I love the idea that Croyle's being compared to former #1 overall Draft picks.

That is THE lamest argument. The handling of a #1 overall pick is infinitely different from how you handle a Third Round pick. Those organizations HAD to be patient with those QB's. We don't owe Brodie Croyle that kind of commitment. But I'll humor you...

Let's take a closer look at these QB's... Shall we?

In the case of Elway by the end of the season he had put together three games where he had a QB Rating of 100 or better. He had a 3-TD game against the Baltimore Colts.

In the case of Aikman by the end of the season he put together a string of 4 out of 5 games where he had a QB Rating of 80 or better. He tossed 8 TD's during that stretch. Including a 4 TD game against the Rams.

In the case of Manning...
Well, he only set a new NFL rookie record for TD passes. And by the end of the year he had two games with QB Ratings of 100 or better and THREE 3 TD games.

vailpass · 05-14-2008, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

You guys are so full of shit. From the other thread.

All this "croyle can't win" is bogus. If you claim to be able to know by now, you are ignorant as hell, and I blame you for our consistent one-and-outs in the playoffs.

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.

Why did you omit Elway's W-L record? Was it intentional? Just curious.

beach tribe · 05-14-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I believe he was given ample opportunity...
And he didn't answer the bell.

No offense, but I think you personally don't like him.

He has not been given enough time or help to improve.

Can you please give me an example of a QB excelling at his age with comperable playing time, and surounding talent.

Yes, he should win games all by himself.........one day.

**Easy 6** · 05-14-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

No offense, but I think you personally don't like him.

100%

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

No offense, but I think you personally don't like him.

Can't believe you took it there.
I don't know the man personally.

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He has not been given enough time or help to improve.

He had offensive weapons last season.
He had two reliable pass-catchers.

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.

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Yes, he should win games all by himself.........one day.

He'll never win games all by himself.
And I'm not suggesting that he should.

Brodie Croyle showed ZERO improvement over his 6 starts.
He was no better in the last game he played than he was when he took his first pre-season snap. No glimmer of hope. Nothing to hang your hat on.

Frankie · 05-14-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I believe he was given ample opportunity...
And he didn't answer the bell.

Did the opportunity involve putting an offensive line in front of her that could block my mother and two of her friends?

ChiefsCountry · 05-14-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Teams don't commit as much time, patience, and opportunity to Third Round picks as some Chiefs fans would like to give Croyle.

No Third Round pick taken this year will be afforded the kind of coddling people in Chiefs kingdom are calling for as it relates to Croyle. They'll have to earn that time, patience, and opportunity.

Quarterback is a little different position than the rest. I think you have to give them more time than any other position on the field. It doenst matter what round they were drafted in.

Micjones · 05-14-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Quarterback is a little different position than the rest.

Not where it concerns 3rd Round picks.

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I think you have to give them more time than any other position on the field. It doenst matter what round they were drafted in.

Late Round QB's aren't afforded the same kind of patience that the Eli Manning's of the world enjoy. Not at least without having shown some glimmer of hope that they can be the guy.

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