OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum.

[Frankie]

It's time for you to reward me and the the rest of your defenders. I'm looking forward to reading a piece on the Star about how you have dedicated this off-season to gaining 10-15 pounds of muscle. I hope you haven't forgotten that as a necessary step for your career and gaining respect of the fans and your teammates.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by FAX

When comparing those statistics, I wonder if those other guys were allowed to throw a pass longer than 4 yards? A factor like that could have a bearing on both interceptions and completion percentage.

FAX

I wonder also if their o-lines sucked as badly, as did their running game. I also wonder if their offense went RRPP, or was as easily predictable. Croyle needs one more year of evaluation, IMO.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by scott free

Like it or not, he'll be the starting QB for the KC Chiefs in 08...i cant wait to see you make all of the doubters eat runny scat.

you may want to go ahead and prepare for the likely eventuality they those who doubt Croyle are right. If your backup plan is "draft a QB in '09" you don't have a backup plan.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

No offense, but I think you personally don't like him.

Can't believe you took it there.
I don't know the man personally.

He has not been given enough time or help to improve.

He had offensive weapons last season.
He had two reliable pass-catchers.

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.

Yes, he should win games all by himself.........one day.

He'll never win games all by himself.
And I'm not suggesting that he should.

Brodie Croyle showed ZERO improvement over his 6 starts.
He was no better in the last game he played than he was when he took his first pre-season snap. No glimmer of hope. Nothing to hang your hat on.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Can't believe you took it there.
I don't know the man personally.



He had offensive weapons last season.
He had two reliable pass-catchers.

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.



He'll never win games all by himself.
And I'm not suggesting that he should.

Brodie Croyle showed ZERO improvement over his 6 starts.
He was no better in the last game he played than he was when he took his first pre-season snap. No glimmer of hope. Nothing to hang your hat on.

You're ignoring every piece of evidence I presented, and most especially that the bronco's went 4-0 when elway didn't play.

Further, the "glimmer" you keep talking about was obviously seen by Herm&Co. (Indy game?)

Further STILL, you build a team around your QB, not just your 1st round picks. So forget that argument. Herm has stated Croyle is his guy. Start building.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

AN ACTUAL VALID STATISTICAL COMPARISON:

CROYLE:
Comp%: 58.1
TDS: 6
INTS: 6
YDS: 1227
RTG: 69.9
W-L: 0-6

Elway:
Comp%: 47.5
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 55.7

Aikman:
Comp%: 52.9
TDS: 9
INTS: 18
YDS: 1749
RTG: 52.9
W-L: 4-7

Manning:
Comp%: 56.7
TDS: 26
INTS: 28
YDS: 3739
RTG: 71.2
W-L: 3-13

Point being, Croyle is as good statistically as any one of those guys in their first major year. An additional interesting note: in games in which Elway did not play, the broncos were 4-0. You all who claim Croyle is a bust CAN'T KNOW YET. If you knew and were making the personnel decisions for these three teams, the NFL would be out of 3 HoF QBs.

I love the idea that Croyle's being compared to former #1 overall Draft picks.


That is THE lamest argument. The handling of a #1 overall pick is infinitely different from how you handle a Third Round pick. Those organizations HAD to be patient with those QB's. We don't owe Brodie Croyle that kind of commitment. But I'll humor you...

Let's take a closer look at these QB's... Shall we?

In the case of Elway by the end of the season he had put together three games where he had a QB Rating of 100 or better. He had a 3-TD game against the Baltimore Colts.

In the case of Aikman by the end of the season he put together a string of 4 out of 5 games where he had a QB Rating of 80 or better. He tossed 8 TD's during that stretch. Including a 4 TD game against the Rams.

In the case of Manning...
Well, he only set a new NFL rookie record for TD passes. And by the end of the year he had two games with QB Ratings of 100 or better and THREE 3 TD games.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

You CAN'T argue with that.

I did...

Read on.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Brock

you may want to go ahead and prepare for the likely eventuality they those who doubt Croyle are right. If your backup plan is "draft a QB in '09" you don't have a backup plan.

What makes it likely???...the fact that 07 was an abortion from the get go, regardless of who was at QB???

He didnt have a chance last year.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I love the idea that Croyle's being compared to former #1 overall Draft picks.


That is THE lamest argument. The handling of a #1 overall pick is infinitely different from how you handle a Third Round pick. Those organizations HAD to be patient with those QB's. We don't owe Brodie Croyle that kind of commitment. But I'll humor you...

Let's take a closer look at these QB's... Shall we?

In the case of Elway by the end of the season he had put together three games where he had a QB Rating of 100 or better. He had a 3-TD game against the Baltimore Colts.

In the case of Aikman by the end of the season he put together a string of 4 out of 5 games where he had a QB Rating of 80 or better. He tossed 8 TD's during that stretch. Including a 4 TD game against the Rams.

In the case of Manning...
Well, he only set a new NFL rookie record for TD passes. And by the end of the year he had two games with QB Ratings of 100 or better and THREE 3 TD games.

Croyle has had 6 games. Those guys have had 11 or more. Further, one's spot in the draft hardly accounts for much of anything, especially as QBs go.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Micjones

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.

I would argue that Huard was an 80 year vet, summoning every bit of know-how he had.

Do you expect the same kind of production from a 1st timer???

[FAX]

Originally Posted by Micjones

Can't believe you took it there.
I don't know the man personally.

He had offensive weapons last season.
He had two reliable pass-catchers.

I might argue that he was in no position to produce, but I saw Huard produce with the very same weapons.

He'll never win games all by himself.
And I'm not suggesting that he should.

Brodie Croyle showed ZERO improvement over his 6 starts.
He was no better in the last game he played than he was when he took his first pre-season snap. No glimmer of hope. Nothing to hang your hat on.

I often discount the average Croyle-hater's point of view because their attitude toward him is usually far more emotional than analytical. However, I've always found you to be a very intelligent and thoughtful person, Mr. Micjones. Your opinion is, therefore, simultaneously more valued and more troublesome.

Let me ask you this; What could Croyle have done last year that would have changed your mind about him?

FAX

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Further, the "glimmer" you keep talking about was obviously seen by Herm&Co. (Indy game?)

That was a glimmer of hope?
The 1 TD, 169 passing yard day?

Wow...

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Croyle has had 6 games. Those guys have had 11 or more. Further, one's spot in the draft hardly accounts for much of anything, especially as QBs go.

Croyle's a Third Round pick and doesn't warrant the same kind of commitment.

Oh and incidentally he had 3 pre-season starts where he looked like dogshit.

Most of the starting QB's in the NFL were drafted in the First Round.
Come on.

[FAX]

Didn't Elway's, Manning's, and Aikman's coaches actually allow them to throw the ball into the endzone?

FAX

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Micjones

That was a glimmer of hope?
The 1 TD, 169 passing yard day?

Wow...

He almost beat the colts. For all intents and purposes, it should have been a win. That takes composure, an intangible that some might call a glimmer.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by scott free

I would argue that Huard was an 80 year vet, summoning every bit of know-how he had.

Do you expect the same kind of production from a 1st timer???

Let most of you tell it Huard is horrible.
So how on Earth was there such a huge gap between what Croyle and Huard were able to do against Detroit?